I meant that Blackrune is Progressive*
And given the amount of shade being thrown around on just about everyone I think its strange for me to think anyone but Blackrune for sure is my ally even as a Progressive. And again, I downvoted the government because of you, not Blackrune. Gambles on Presidents are far safer in Oyashiro time than gambles on Chancellors, and we are being forced to take a gamble here.
Iām forced to think youāre going to downvote 3 governments unless you are picked up as chancellor. That is not really valid progressive reasoning, and that is not something anyone should go to. If youāre not willing to trust anyone then you are not in a very good position to ask the same thing in return.
Now Wonderlander is considering you. StarTurner suggested you. Wouldnāt that make them people you should at least attempt to trust?
What if Wonderlanderās government goes down after picking you up, and when itās my turn I pick Wonderlander as candidate? Would you go for that? (Or maybe Rabla would do that?).
Considering Usagi and Rest both seem like very controversial suggestions right now it might be worth considering to just go for someone else. Because chances are moderate that at least one of them is being suggested by OTKs.
Iām also not that comfortable with either person from the akafa-picto conflict.
Pockety might be an option considering they also helped pass the fourth progressive. (there was only a 12.72% chance to draw more than one progressive policy, so assuming they didnāt get that unlucky it should have been very easy to just hide it.)
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God I would hate to happen to suggest Oyashiro with this kind of thing.
@Wonderlander
Anyway, hereās my suggestion.
Pick someone else than me and Restkastel.
It could give us the opportunity to actually reconciliate under the chance that restkastel is actually still a progressive.
As far as Iām concerned he painted a very large big target on himself.
I still have no idea why anyone would claim that I am suspicious in any ways tbh. For all we know a drunk pictoshark made a silly vote, especially considering how he vehemently went against me afterā¦
But I still think itās a better idea not to choose me. Actually Iāve been saying this for the past 2 governments that chose me as chancellor, and now third that is considering it.
I think your continued strawmanning of my argument is kind of silly. I have been -asking- for argumentation for it. Not that I would automatically do it. We already had one failed government, which was because I did not trust the Chancellor. Star as a possible choice is okay I suppose, but as I said, I would like more argumentation on ANYONE when it comes to it.
The fact that you are assuming that I would not vote for anyone besides myself despite saying I would do so if a sufficient argument was put forward seems like you are intentionally trying to draw that target on my back as far as I am concerned.
I passed two progressive policies, have been consistently giving advice to play progressive and rational. You yourself know I have no hands to play in the one OTK policy I had to play. Iāve suggested three times now to people who considered choosing me as chancellor to pick someone else than me and Iāve bought forward to everyoneās attention (tho technically wonderlander did it first) that Blackrune choosing you would look suspicious as hell something yourself agreed on.
Do I really need to actually bring this forward for you to trust me? Anyway, please @wonderlander do not choose me as this has absolutely gone off by now. Picking up the same chancellor twice in a row after a failed gov is probably not the best of idea anyway.
@Blackrune Not necessarily, I still think itās even likely that Restkastel is a progressive. I will say this again. I didnāt want you to pick him because you didnāt have reasons to pick him, and thus picking him wouldāve looked to make an incredible amount of sense if you were an OTK who had been investigated by Oyashiro or vice versa which couldāve potentially cast permanent doubts on two potentially progressive players.
However Restkastelās behaviour since then has lowered the odds a lot to me. Still from my pov it just appears ā¦ I dunno, in the end I never played this game with him beforeā¦
I kinda wish I could say wether this behaviour is characteristic of him or not.
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The fact that you are assuming that I would not vote for anyone besides myself despite saying I would do so[/quote]
Honestly asking where you said that. I havenāt seen it. Itās possible I missed it.
Last suggestion to Wonderlander.
Donāt chose me, it will be pointless.
Pick up Restkastel. I will vote for it. Iād rather things just get clear up and I will make my bet here. Itās probably the best option to ensure this doesnāt turn into something personal from my pov.
I canāt really say anything about other progressives tho. I think itās probably better than risking countless downvoting and just making this a ridiculously drawn out game.
Was a fun experience.
Is this sufficient amount of quotes of me saying this?
Not really because to me, frankly speaking, someone going out of their ways to try to convince others to choose them just makes them more suspicious.
Especially if letās say, rabla who has been silent all along, now suddenly comes up and says we should trust them.
Maybe weāre just operating from very different ā¦ reasoning process about it. If you need someone to try to sway you a certain way to vote for them, well I honestly just donāt think it will happen.
But it doesnāt matter, again I will vote for you. I swear it. I just want this to be cleared up by now.
Okay, I am leaning on @PocketyHat the most, but I could also go with @Restkastel. I also could go with @StarTurner, but all the people I am suspicious of nominated him that I donāt want to. What do the others think? I wanna nominate before going to bedā¦
I thank you for your trust, I was basically saying here that we should -all- make our cases for it, not just making a case for myself. I wanted to see everyoneās reasoning to see if I couldnāt discern something from it. If everyone is doing it, its not really suspicious in my opinion I suppose.
@Wonderlander Iād like an argument for Pockety, thats what Ive been asking for all along really when it comes to why people should be nominated. I just always give one for myself at the same time to try to coax others into doing it because I can understand that others might not want to be the first ones to try to give a case because of what Usagi said.
Im mostly just trying to coax people to talk and actually debate instead of going along on vague trusts that arenāt substantiated as much to others I guess.
Well then.
PocketyHat gave me a single progressive policy and a single OTK one.
The odds of her obtaining 2 OTK ones are low.
Itās not impossible that she also obtained a single progressive and gave me a choice to see if she had an ally or not, which backfired.
However if we go by odds, itās pretty low odds.
Of course itās also a possibility I guess that we are both OTK and are lying, but that only really makes sense if she picked up 3 progressive policies in which case our side is screwed anyway and Iād really have no point in making a fuss over this.
Itās a bet like any other. Iāll also vote yes to it.
Here you go:
@akafa123 : Is in a conflict with pictoshark, and if only one of them was an OTK my bet would be akafa.
@pictoshark : Same as above without the OTK betting part.
@UsagiTenpura : Nobody wants Usagi. They already got a no. I am not against them THAT much though.
@Restkastel : I donāt think he is the Oyashiro, though I think he is an OTK. I would like nominating him to figure out if I can trust him for real though.
Now we have the three silent ones.
@Rabla: Way too silent. Nope.
@StarTurner: Normally I would want to go with him but everybody I suspect basically said StarTurner so my Oyashiro senses are tingling.
@PocketyHat: The most neutral choice. That could be a strategy but I have to take a gamble at some point.
Thatās harsh.
I am sorry, but the votes have spoken. Iād want you! 
Well honestly Iād rather you not pick me up.
At this point the proof that Iām a progressive will only appear at the endgame, so the game may as well end. Some people will then realize the game couldāve ended last turn, but whatever.
If your Oyashiro senses are tingling then I would say that you should not choose them as a chancellor. I have a bit of an okay feeling towards Star but if you yourself arenāt comfortable with them then it ultimately falls on you to decide whether or not you think its worth the bet or not.
As for Pockety, I guess you could but again if you feel its a strategy its all up to you to see if you are feeling that its a strategy and what Usagi proposed above about having being given a choice to test her is possible. Theres a lot resting on this decision, so I would say go with the option you think is unlikely to be Oyashiro, and preferably not into conflict.
I guess all I could say in a larger sense is that itād be ideal for people to hear why they voted no.
Wonderlander has been consistently suspicious of Restkastel and Blackrune, so they gave out their reason, in a way, long ago.
Restkastel distrusted me over the suspicions I bought over him. I donāt think it was a good idea, but at least itās a reason given.
Blackrune voted against the government after choosing me (such an odd thing to doā¦) but he kinda gave a reason for it.
I admit itās not very nice to vote for someone who voted no without knowing the reason for it.
For that very reason, Iāll admit that Iām ironically more comfortable with Restkastel as the remaining choice because when it comes down to itā¦ wellā¦ heh. I know I am a progressive and I absolutely trust thesorceress to be one. I think itās likely that between akafa and pictoshark, one of them is a progressive. When you look at things, considering that Blackrune and thesorceress are not options here, thereās only choices of people who didnāt give any reasons for the downvotesā¦ and since I know Iām progressive, I know OTKs would downvote me. Iām in fact by now more comfortable with the idea that pictoshark just voted Yes due to being drunk.
So considering among the remaining choices (excluding myself) I know most are OTKs, Iād rather take the chance to lose to an OTK who hasnāt been silent and who at least gave out a reason for the downvote.
But pick whatever you want in the end. Iām not really sure I should try to influence things if Iām so untrustworthy.