A little nugget of anti-mystery [GAME 4] [SOLVED]

[midsummer]

Now that we’re breaking the basic assumptions of the case, let’s try this as well. The narrative states two things. [quote=“pictoshark, post:6, topic:1102”]
During the cruise, before it had even reached it’s first stop there was a stabbing on the boat.
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One of the passengers was stabbed in the leg during the night and only alerted the first aid department after the time they normally woke up.

These two lines are not referring to the same incident, and thus the legstabbing could’ve happened much later than “before [the boat] had even reached its first stop”. It might as well have happened after the whole cruise was over, which means pretty much anyone could’ve stabbed him.

…except that C and E apparently slept over two weeks, if that theory is correct. Obviously they were in a coma.

[pictoshark]

The stabbing happened on the boat. The victim’s room was on the boat. In addition there is only one stabbing that is relevant to this incident.

[midsummer]

The victim’s room was on the boat.

"The victim’s room" extends outside the boat. The victim was in the part of the room that is inside the boat when he was stabbed by someone in the part of the room that was outside the boat. This way, the stabbing happened on the boat inside the victim’s room, but the stabber was not on the boat.

Also, in case our generous host missed it, I’m still waiting for a red to answer [quote=“midsummer, post:199, topic:1102”]
It hasn’t been confirmed the victim still works at the design company. Whether the company he works for now hasn’t employed anyone new has no bearing on the design company if he doesn’t work there anymore.
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[midsummer]

Let’s try this angle as well.

Red truths referring to “setting foot on the boat” are literal. Mystery assassin X boarded the ship when it left the harbor as normal. One of the employees of the company did not board the ship at that time, however. Instead, they boarded the ship later, but never set foot on it because they are in a wheelchair or move around using some other means that allow them to be on the boat but never set foot on it. This either happened on the current cruise, or mystery assassin X boarded the ship on a previous cruise and hid on the boat until the current cruise.

[pictoshark]

It hasn’t been confirmed the victim still works at the design company. Whether the company he works for now hasn’t employed anyone new has no bearing on the design company if he doesn’t work there anymore.

I’ll retool that red then:

Since the official company holidays started no one new has been employed into the company that the employees work at.

“The victim’s room” extends outside the boat. The victim was in the part of the room that is inside the boat when he was stabbed by someone in the part of the room that was outside the boat. This way, the stabbing happened on the boat inside the victim’s room, but the stabber was not on the boat.

The victim’s room does not extend outside the boat.

Red truths referring to “setting foot on the boat” are literal. Mystery assassin X boarded the ship when it left the harbor as normal. One of the employees of the company did not board the ship at that time, however. Instead, they boarded the ship later, but never set foot on it because they are in a wheelchair or move around using some other means that allow them to be on the boat but never set foot on it. This either happened on the current cruise, or mystery assassin X boarded the ship on a previous cruise and hid on the boat until the current cruise.

Those reds are not literal. They refer to the conversational idiom.

[midsummer]

I see you weren’t kidding when you said the difficulty will be brutal.

There are currently four reds that concern me the most.

On every one of the official company holidays, which occur every other year, exactly 7 non staff members have boarded the ship.

The 7 employees of this company have been on this cruise on this boat, every other year for the last 9 years.

If this unknown person X does exist then he boarded the boat during the boarding time of one the company’s official company holidays.

In this entire gameboard, no-one has set foot on the boat who was not on the boat as it set off from the harbor on the first day of this cruise.

It seems that in order to press on with the theory of an eight person, one has to answer the question of “how can an employee be on a holiday cruise on the boat without boarding it during the holiday cruise”. The obvious answer is “by boarding it before the holiday cruise”, but that has been shot down fairly effectively, with

None of the employees have stayed on the boat for longer than twice the duration of the cruise.

Not a single employee has ever boarded the ship early!

I’d like to request clarification on the term “board the ship”. Does it refer to any action in which a person who is not on the ship moves onto the ship, or does it refer only to conscious and purposeful acts of entering the ship, or perhaps only a specific way of entering the ship? If not the first definition, then one of person was smuggled onto the boat in a way that doesn’t count as said person boarding the ship.

One could also come up with an outlandish theory such as the events take place in a strange planet where a year lasts only a week or less, and thus an employee could have waited on the boat for two years, allowing an eight person to board the boat at the beginning of the next cruise.

I’d also like a clarification on “Not a single employee has ever boarded the ship early!”. Does this refer to employees boarding the ship in the two weeks before the official holiday begins, or perhaps simply “boarding before the intended time”. If the latter, then an employee boarded the ship before the cruise began. Perhaps the intended boarding time for the employee was before the cruise began, and thus they did not board early. Thus an extra person could’ve boarded the ship when the cruise began.

Let’s keep the train rolling.

Since the official company holidays started no one new has been employed into the company that the employees work at.

An employee who regains their employment after losing it is not considered “new”. Perhaps their status as an employee was merely suspended, not outright removed. This way, my blue that one employee participated in a cruise, lost their employment and stayed on the boat until he became an employee again for a later cruise still stands.

It’s getting too late, so these shall be my last feeble slashes for today. They will likely be deflected with little effort, but perhaps they will show an opening for someone else to exploit.

[pictoshark]

I require time to plan out my strategy for the coming moves, and my anti-mystery has almost been entirely blasted away by everyone’s blues. I’d like to avoid the fate of a logic error ruining this fragment and on top of that I have alternate matters to elsewhere.

For all these reasons and more I am declaring a brief Tea Break.

This game will resume at 14:00 GMT on the 21st of March.

Those who think they can approach the truth, be sure to sharpen your blades during this brief interlude.

[pictoshark]

The clock reads 14:00. Let’s do this!

Tea levels nominal!
Red balance is positive!
I’ve got visuals on my target!

I’d like to request clarification on the term “board the ship”. Does it refer to any action in which a person who is not on the ship moves onto the ship, or does it refer only to conscious and purposeful acts of entering the ship, or perhaps only a specific way of entering the ship? If not the first definition, then one of the people was smuggled onto the boat in a way that it didn’t count as said person boarding the ship.

Even if someone was smuggled onto the boat it would count as them boarding it!

One could also come up with an outlandish theory such as the events take place in a strange planet where a year lasts only a week or less, and thus an employee could have waited on the boat for two years, allowing an eight person to board the boat at the beginning of the next cruise.

Kuhuhuhuhu! Now THAT’S anti-mystery!

Unfortunately that’s wroooooooooooooong!

This gameboard takes place on a planet where a year is roughly 365 days.

I’d also like a clarification on “Not a single employee has ever boarded the ship early!”. Does this refer to employees boarding the ship in the two weeks before the official holiday begins, or perhaps simply “boarding before the intended time”. If the latter, then an employee boarded the ship before the cruise began. Perhaps the intended boarding time for the employee was before the cruise began, and thus they did not board early. Thus an extra person could’ve boarded the ship when the cruise began.

If an employee attended one of the official company holidays then they boarded the ship at the intended time!

An employee who regains their employment after losing it is not considered “new”. Perhaps their status as an employee was merely suspended, not outright removed. This way, my blue that one employee participated in a cruise, lost their employment and stayed on the boat until he became an employee again for a later cruise still stands.

This is simply not the case! An employee who went through such a bizarre sequence of events would still be considered new for the purposes of that red!

[Restkastel]

This gameboard takes place on a planet where a year is roughly 365 days.

So not Creation. Got it.

[midsummer]

That was an enjoyable tea break. So relaxing, in fact, that I didn’t think about this gameboard at all during the break and opted to clear my mind of everything. So, while I’m bringing the intricacies of this board back into my mind, let’s confirm that you aren’t trying to hoodwink me with your red.

If an employee attended one of the official company holidays then they boarded the ship at the intended time!

For one or more employees, “the intended time” was before the cruise began. Thus, they did not board the ship on a company holiday, etcetera etcetera.

Also, "the boarding time of the official holiday" is not considered a part of the official holiday. Thus, people who board on “the boarding time” do not board the ship “on a company holiday”. This means that even if seven people board the ship “on every one of the company holidays”, mystery assassin X, who boards “at the boarding time”, is not one of those seven.

This angle of attack relies on the words “on a company holiday” in

On every one of the official company holidays, which occur every other year, exactly 7 non staff members have boarded the ship.

referring to “boarding during a company holiday”, not “boarding in time to be on a company holiday”. I wonder if there’s anything you want to clarify about that red…?

Also, since you so enjoy outrageous anti-mystery, let me give you a treat.

The boat has cloning facilities. One of the employees on the boat actually is a clone produced on there before it leaves the harbor. This clone is considered an employee of the company, thus allowing seven employees to participate even if only six of them board the ship. Thus an eighth person could board the ship without issue. In fact, the employees are all clones - they’re called A, B, C, D, E and F exactly because they’re mass-produced clones instead of unique individuals!

Naturally, the above theory also works with the employees being robots instead of clones!

I have more! One of the employees is actually an AI. Since they don’t have an actual physical body, they never boarded the ship, even if they moved their consciousness to some suitable vessel on board!

[Funyarinpa]

Unformatted Pastebin for reds

edit:

The six employees are not the culprits, there’s a red for that (unless that meant “The collective of the six employees is not the culprit of the incident”, in which case I request clarification that “The six employees are not the culprit” applies to every single employee A, B, C, D, E, F. That is to say, none of those six are the culprit on an individual basis. A is not the culprit. B is not the culprit. C is not the culprit. D is not the culprit. E is not the culprit. F is not the culprit.

That aside, we also have a red that the culprit isn’t (and never was) one of the staff.

It’s not the victim either.

Which means that The culprit was not on the boat at midnight!

I feel that we can discuss that the victim’s employment status might have changed while on the ship…
“The seven employees” in The 7 employees of this company have been on this cruise on this boat, every other year for the last 9 years. refers to a changing group of seven employees. The small designing company organizing this cruise has more than 7 employees and each year only 7 board the boat for the official company cruise.

…Do we need to devise a way that the culprit can get in the room without boarding the boat?

(By the way…
The victim is paralyzed from the waist down. He did not alert medical staff before sunrise because it was too dark for him to see that he had been stabbed, until morning!
)

Requesting confirmation: The culprit cannot have been inside the victim’s room without boarding the ship.

The culprit submerged the deck that had the room of the victim. He then cut power to the door’s lock, which is an electronic keycard lock. The lock is ordinarily waterproof, so nothing happened to the lock and the door in terms of damage. In fact, it’s possible that the lock shut itself off when it came into contact with water, thus “working as the designers intended”. He then got into the submerged deck from outside the ship -perhaps by partially sinking the cruise- and swam to the door of the room. After stabbing the victim, he swam back out.

[King_Titanite_XV]

The boat and the ship, and any other nouns that are synonymous for boat, refer to the same vessel, that travels by water.

No idea what I’ll do if this isn’t the case and there’s a mini boat that is the ship and a big boat that is the boat or vice-versa but…just trying ideas.

[midsummer]

I’m still trying to figure out ways an eighth person could’ve been on the ship. I’ve made far less progress than I hoped to, but here’s something, at least.

If an employee attended one of the official company holidays then they boarded the ship at the intended time!

An employee was on the cruise, but did not attend the holiday. Simply existing on the cruise ship as the cruise takes place is enough to “be on the cruise”, as seven employees have to be, but being where the holiday happens is not the same as attending the holiday. Perhaps he was doing company work while on the boat, or was otherwise occupied. This means they are not restricted by the above red, and could’ve boarded the ship before the holiday began. This makes it possible for an eighth person to have boarded the ship during the boarding time."

Also, this.

This gameboard takes place on a planet where a year is roughly 365 days.

…but a week lasts over 365 days!

[Rabla]

Repeat this in Red: A, B, C, D, E, F and Victim Z are the same seven people on the cruise every official holiday.

[pictoshark]

For one or more employees, “the intended time” was before the cruise began. Thus, they did not board the ship on a company holiday, etcetera etcetera.

For every employee on an official company holiday the intended time was the same.

“the boarding time of the official holiday” is not considered a part of the official holiday. Thus, people who board on “the boarding time” do not board the ship “on a company holiday”. This means that even if seven people board the ship “on every one of the company holidays”, mystery assassin X, who boards “at the boarding time”, is not one of those seven.

It is. In other words “the boarding time of the official holiday” is within the same timeframe as the “official company holiday”.

“The seven employees” in The 7 employees of this company have been on this cruise on this boat, every other year for the last 9 years. refers to a changing group of seven employees. The small designing company organizing this cruise has more than 7 employees and each year only 7 board the boat for the official company cruise.

There are only 7 employees of the company. The CEO was the victim and considers himself an employee as odd as that may sound.

The victim is paralyzed from the waist down. He did not alert medical staff before sunrise because it was too dark for him to see that he had been stabbed, until morning!

I do not need to respond to this. There is already an accepted theory for this matter, I only need to start evading or fighting back once the blues have formed a wall that corners me.

Requesting confirmation: The culprit cannot have been inside the victim’s room without boarding the ship.

I do not need to respond to this. You ought to form a blue and then come back.

The culprit submerged the deck that had the room of the victim. He then cut power to the door’s lock, which is an electronic keycard lock. The lock is ordinarily waterproof, so nothing happened to the lock and the door in terms of damage. In fact, it’s possible that the lock shut itself off when it came into contact with water, thus “working as the designers intended”. He then got into the submerged deck from outside the ship -perhaps by partially sinking the cruise- and swam to the door of the room. After stabbing the victim, he swam back out.

The lock was a mechanical one.

The boat and the ship, and any other nouns that are synonymous for boat, refer to the same vessel, that travels by water.

Oh dear, it seems that you used the wrong formatting for this post. This doesn’t seem like much of a blue…

What an embaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarassing mistake for royalty to make! Kuhuhuhuhu!

…but a week lasts over 365 days!

This gameboard takes place on a planet where a week is roughly 7 days.

An employee was on the cruise, but did not attend the holiday. Simply existing on the cruise ship as the cruise takes place is enough to “be on the cruise”, as seven employees have to be, but being where the holiday happens is not the same as attending the holiday. Perhaps he was doing company work while on the boat, or was otherwise occupied. This means they are not restricted by the above red, and could’ve boarded the ship before the holiday began. This makes it possible for an eighth person to have boarded the ship during the boarding time."

An employee that did this would still count as attending the holiday.

Repeat this in Red: A, B, C, D, E, F and Victim Z are the same seven people on the cruise every official holiday.

I have no reason to oblige you Crimson, you must corner me with a blue first.

The boat has cloning facilities. One of the employees on the boat actually is a clone produced on there before it leaves the harbor. This clone is considered an employee of the company, thus allowing seven employees to participate even if only six of them board the ship. Thus an eighth person could board the ship without issue. In fact, the employees are all clones - they’re called A, B, C, D, E and F exactly because they’re mass-produced clones instead of unique individuals!

Naturally, the above theory also works with the employees being robots instead of clones!

I have more! One of the employees is actually an AI. Since they don’t have an actual physical body, they never boarded the ship, even if they moved their consciousness to some suitable vessel on board!

Hmmm I like the taste of this and I’d love to clash sword over all these absurdities but alas, the audience grows restless, they want the play to reach the climax already!

Therefore I can’t have you saying things like that, we’d just waste too much time. Hmmmmmm… @RESTKASTEL! Where did we leave the murder doll?

[Restkastel]

Therefore I can’t have you saying things like that, we’d just waste too much time. Hmmmmmm… @RESTKASTEL! Where did we leave the murder doll?

Obviously we left it in Yu-Shan when we went on a Celestial Wine drinking binge.

Let me go get it…

Ahem.

Excusing a device for the precise administration of knockout drugs as used on the victim so he’d wake up his normal waking time, Knox’s 4th applies to this gameboard.

Knox’s 4th is that it is forbidden for unknown drugs or hard to understand scientific devices to be used.

[midsummer]

For every employee on an official company holiday the intended time was the same.

Simple. For every employee, “the intended time” was before the holiday began.

As for seven people having to board the ship during the holiday, seven other people boarded during the holiday before the ship left the harbor. For whatever reason, they were not present on the boat at midnight.

…falling back on the Decalogue? How very… uh, what’s a good adjective for “mystery-like”. Because “mystery-like” sounds really stupid. “Mysterious” doesn’t really cut it. Neither does “mystery-ish”. Oh, whatever. Not very anti-mystery, wouldn’t you say? Also, I suppose one could argue that in this day and age, things such as “cloning bay”, “robot” or “AI” are not “hard to understand scientific devices”, but I suppose that is beside the point.

[Rabla]

I have no reason to oblige you Crimson, you must corner me with a blue first.

=/

On a previous holiday’s start, Employees A, B, C, D, E and G along with Victim Z boarded the ship. F usually did not attend these holidays. G retired during this trip and now lives on the boat. G is Culprit X.

[pictoshark]

…falling back on the Decalogue?

Look, I’d rather not have done that but sometimes you have to do things you don’t want to do.

Simple. For every employee, “the intended time” was before the holiday began.

It is. In other words “the boarding time of the official holiday” is within the same timeframe as the “official company holiday”.

On a previous holiday’s start, Employees A, B, C, D, E and G along with Victim Z boarded the ship. F usually did not attend these holidays. G retired during this trip and now lives on the boat. G is Culprit X.

I can smash that to pieces, don’t worry!

There are only 7 employees of the company. The CEO was the victim and considers himself an employee as odd as that may sound.

Since the official company holidays started no one new has been employed into the company that the victim works at.

There has never been any more than 7 people working at the company.

[King_Titanite_XV]

In regards to my blue, I worded it as a blue as I didn’t want to say “repeat this in red:”. So I edited my post a few seconds before I posted it.
Though wording this into a blue is veeeeeeeery difficult…as if I just write the opposite you could just say “refuse to respond” as it doesn’t solve anything yet.

I am very disappointed you would fall onto Knox’s 4th here, though I guess its the best of the bunch in terms of not being being anti-mystery…still, very disappointed. You are making me want to start up my own gameboard more, though issues in life are spoiling that a lot.

Before we get into anything else though…I propose that **drones and AI do not fall under Knox’s 4th as they are available in this day and age, and are not difficult to understand,** though that is an opinion and not really a blue truth…
Either way I’d like a clearer definition for what falls under Knox’s 4th. I don’t want the window not counting as an exit like last time. Does a knife that is very easy to throw fall under this, as that way someone who had only seen the knife once and had no experience with bladed weapons could still easily throw it.

I don’t want to argue pointless definitions, so ANYWAY…
Here’s my first reword of the blue I posted above. The boat and the ship refer to two or more different vessels. If this is not the case, then other nouns that are synonymous for boat refer to different vessels. This calls into question any red truths that refer to the word “boat”, “ship”, or anything similar.
For the other bit, A ship mentioned in this story refers to a water-based vessel. It doesn’t refer to an airship powered by a lighter than air gas or any other similar confusion.

These are very outlandish so I don’t expect them to be true. Though when you refer to smuggling someone on, does that refer to any method of entering the ship? It is possible that one could enter the ship without boarding, or being smuggled on, through another means such as the air, or by entering underneath the ship using a scuba suit (again, not covered by Knox’s 4th).

I saw above that you referred to only one relevant stabbing. I wish I could ask if there were other relevant assaults on the day as that could get us closer to the truth.

As for one more, it isn’t impossible that somebody on the boat that was employed by the company had their contract expired on the boat, through reaching retirement, being fired, being made redundant, etc, is it? I’m not sure about this one as it might be covered above. **Perhaps the company was bought out, making the victim not technically a CEO for the entire trip? That last one doesn’t make much sense, doesn’t really get us closer to the truth, and if it is true, calls into question too many things, so I’m reluctant to put it in blue, but…well, whatever.

This isn’t quite a blue truth shotgun - I’d say it’s a blue truth revolver? Some of the bullets are very flimsy anyway. I’ll prepare something else later.

This would be up a bit faster, but my internet went out so sorry about that. I would put that in the red but I’ve been specifically banned from doing so, so you’re just gonna have to trust me here.