Devil's Playground - Game 3

[Luadog]

On mobile so I can’t search for it, but Red 76.

Arya and Adolin were the first ones to enter the Basement.

Also, there is like one more trick.

[Luadog]

I’ll throw a bone to you guys. Cause of the sheer volume of Reds, it’s hard to find where you need to ask for elaboration on a term. I’ll point out like 2 or 3 Reds that can be played with to come closer to the right answer if you want. Alternatively, I could give a Red that could clarify a term that would also be useful.

I just want this game to end. Put me out of my misery.

[Blackrune]

Well, go ahead. Better than dissecting the entire basement.

[TsukiyoAlex]

That doesn’t disprove my theory, I never said they didn’t, it doesn’t even matter to that theory, but you’re not the only one in misery so please do something about this endless adjustment of theories.

[DWaM]

Also, there is like one more trick.

how can there be MORE??

…Jokes aside, the surprising thing is that even with so many reds, there’s still enough maneuvering to get out of it. Impressive, if nothing else. Yet, no matter how I think about it - whatever it is - it’ll have to pass through by the skin of its teeth.

I’m also still confused at what point had basement =/= a room in the basement, and to such a large degree, at that. I initially thought that entire thing came from a clarification that the floor of the basement is just one room… And if it isn’t, I’m struggling how you could have a room in the basement, but have the space outside of it not called a room, especially since it has both a door and a window of its own, supposedly(?) And it’s especially strange since this red, which I mentioned earlier:

The door to the Basement and the window to the Basement are the same as the door to the room in the Basement and the window to the room in the Basement.

was a response to this:

So the room in the basement does not equal the basement itself. Therefore the culprit could have entered the basement and killed Arya and Adolin who were in the room in the basement. The basement consists of one room, but that doesn’t mean the basement doesn’t exist outside the room. Therefore, Dalinar entered through the window to enter the basement and killed Arya and Adolin (who are in the room). Dalinar then simply exited the basement through the basement door (which is not the same as the room to the door that Astrid locked). Astrid came back with Shallan and unlocked the door to the room to the basement. They eventually found Dalinar and killed him. Astrid then killed Shallan and herself.

And in that context, to me, it seemed to suggest the door and the window spoken about here were one in the same, but…

iunno at this point

[TsukiyoAlex]

Discussig the game will be fun, alright let’s see if I can explain it to you, when we started tackling this mistery all reds referred to the basement, and that’s all, after Luadog was running out of option he made this:

When the door to the Basement was locked by Astrid, only Adolin and Arya were inside, and they were alive. When the door was unlocked by Astrid, the only people inside were Adolin and Arya, who were both dead. Thus, the culprit had to enter during this time period to kill them. The only two ways to enter the room in the Basement are the door and the window. The door was not used during this time period. The only way the culprit could have entered the room in this time period was through the window. Neither Dalinar nor Shallan used the window to enter the room. Astrid, of course, did not kill Arya or Adolin. Everyone else is dead.

However, he naturally refused to say the Basement and the room in the Basement were the same, afterwards it was uncovered that the trick is in the window, because it has a space within it that still counts as the window, a place inside the Basement and outside the room in the Basement.

The door to the Basement and the window to the Basement are the same as the door to the room in the Basement and the window to the room in the Basement.
That’s because we started suspecting that there might have been more doors and windows leading to the room in the Basement that didn’t count as the door and the window in the Basement, it’s basically a red to state there’s only a single door and a single window connected to the Basement as a whole, in other words, there’s no mid-space between the Basement itself and the room in the Basement, all tricks must be within “the door” and “the window”.

[DWaM]

oh alright so basically just a really thick window

[Luadog]

The reason I gave that Red wasn’t cause I was in a corner, it was cause the answer wasn’t something you guys were near, so I needed to give a hint. It was super unintuitive.

Actually, I think farispie in discord said something very early on that was similar to the display window.

Another reason that this game has been going on is cause of Hovlane’s repetition requests. There were a lot of ambiguous statements he requested. The point of them was to corner me into giving up culprit identities, which he essentially made me do for Astrid (I could have kept going with her, but I saw that he was gonna force me to give her innocence).

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Arya and Adolin are locked by Astrid inside the room in the Basement. Dalinar entered in the Basement window by going unnoticed from the door to the window, being in the window is the same as being in the Basement since the window constitutes a part of the basement, however, by not crossing past that display part, she never entered in the room in the Basement.

When the door to the Basement was locked by Astrid, only Adolin and Arya were inside, and they were alive. When the door was unlocked by Astrid, the only people inside were Adolin and Arya, who were both dead. Thus, the culprit had to enter during this time period to kill them. The only two ways to enter the room in the Basement are the door and the window. The door was not used during this time period. The only way the culprit could have entered the room in this time period was through the window.

To move (while remaining in the basement) from the door in the basement to the window in the basement, you must cross through the room in the basement.

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So, there are actually a number of ways you can get through this murder (I have two that I’m thinking of and I will accept either).

Something that can crack this murder open is the definitions of “broken” and “entrance”.

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Also, I feel obligated to mention that the second murder took so long because they forgot to confirm that Dalinar was dead and Zepfur saved them after reading over it for like 2 minutes. Saved yet again by an outsider to the Gameboard (Blackrune saved them in the game before). Tsk, tsk. Alex is fighting for his honor here .

[DWaM]

I suppose if you go with entrance =/= exit, you could claim the culprit could’ve gotten out of an exit, in spite of an entrance being locked…

Therefore - While the culprit most certainly did not escape through a window or door, there was still an exit they could’ve used. That is, while the only ENTRANCES were the door and the window, there was an exit - something that could’ve only been used to leave the room (something like a trash chute or something of the sort - where using it to get in from the other way is nigh impossible) As for how the culprit got in - they could’ve been in the door to the basement, at some point between the victims entering and the door being locked. After Astrid locked it, indeed - the two victims were the only ones inside the room. All the culprit had to do was step from the basement into the room, kill them, and then use the exit to leave.

It’s worth mentioning that red 101 goes out of its way to use “at this time” - not denying the possibility of the culprit having used this particular “gap” if you want to call it to be in the basement “hidden in the door”. The possibility of the culprit hiding in the door is also not denied by the red - in fact, all it states is that the culprit, if they were using a place to hide, had to have utilized either the window or the door in some way.

[TsukiyoAlex]

Heh, I’m disappointed with the possibility of the window and the door not being the only exits. I’m bored so give me something nice this time, okay? First, repeat this if you dare: “The body of the person who killed Arya and Adolin never entered in the basement”, you should be able to give at least this much, right? I won’t be so kind though, so here you go:

1. The window to the Basement is similar to a display window. Dalinar entered in the guest mansion while the group was entering it. Arya and Adolin are locked by Astrid inside the room in the Basement. Dalinar entered in the Basement window by breaking down the window, being in the window is the same as being in the Basement since the window constitutes a part of the basement, however, by not crossing past that display part, he wasn’t in the room in the Basement when the door was locked by Astrid. Dalinar kills Arya and Adolin, and leaves through an exit in the door. Astrid unlocks the door with Shallan by her side, at that time, Dalinar is spotted by them, it doesn’t matter where he was as long as Arya and Adolin were the only ones in the room in the Basement when their corpses were found. Shallan or Astrid kill Dalinar. Astrid kills Shallan and commits suicide.
2. The window to the Basement is similar to a display window. Dalinar entered in the guest mansion while the group was entering it. Arya and Adolin are locked by Astrid inside the room in the Basement. Shallan stayed in the Basement window, being in the window is the same as being in the Basement since the window constitutes a part of the basement, however, by not crossing past that display part, she wasn’t in the room in the Basement when the door was locked by Astrid. Dalinar kills Arya and Adolin, and breaks down the window to leave the Basement. Astrid unlocks the door with Shallan by her side, at that time, Dalinar is spotted by them, it doesn’t matter where he was as long as Arya and Adolin were the only ones in the room in the Basement when their corpses were found. Shallan or Astrid kill Dalinar. Astrid kills Shallan and commits suicide.
3. The window to the Basement is similar to a display window. Dalinar entered in the guest mansion while the group was entering it. Arya and Adolin are locked by Astrid inside the room in the Basement. Dalinar entered in the Basement window by breaking down the window, being in the window is the same as being in the Basement since the window constitutes a part of the basement, however, by not crossing past that display part, he wasn’t in the room in the Basement when the door was locked by Astrid. Dalinar kills Arya and Adolin, and uses an exit not previously mentioned. Astrid unlocks the door with Shallan by her side, at that time, Dalinar is spotted by them, it doesn’t matter where he was as long as Arya and Adolin were the only ones in the room in the Basement when their corpses were found. Shallan or Astrid kill Dalinar. Astrid kills Shallan and commits suicide.
4. The window to the Basement is similar to a display window. Dalinar entered in the guest mansion while the group was entering it. Arya and Adolin are locked by Astrid inside the room in the Basement. Shallan entered in the Basement window by breaking it down, being in the window is the same as being in the Basement since the window constitutes a part of the basement, however, by not crossing past that display part, she wasn’t in the room in the Basement when the door was locked by Astrid. Shallan kills Arya and Adolin, and leaves through an exit not previously mentioned. Astrid unlocks the door with Shallan by her side, at that time, Dalinar is spotted by them, it doesn’t matter where he was as long as Arya and Adolin were the only ones in the room in the Basement when their corpses were found. Shallan or Astrid kill Dalinar. Astrid kills Shallan and commits suicide.