You didn’t even read the discussion by your own admission. You are incorrect about what you think I’ve done and should reread.
And what is the truth about Beatrice? Did Beatrice kill anyone?
You have yet to even attempt to engage the argument that people can be playing a role and you cannot possibly dismiss it when the orthodox interpretations not only allow for that very argument, they require it.
Our Confession also supports the notion of more than two layers to the narrative. It’s not a counterexample at all, it supports my point.
Some things Will denotes as “illusion to illusion” do not have falsehoods associated with them, at least none that are told explicitly to a character. And a number of things that have a false narrative (though not necessarily a false story) are “earth to earth.” I don’t think your interpretation is defensible as the only one.
Not one of those statements suggests anyone actually died and one explicitly describes an event where a person faked their death.
Yeah I guess you’re right, there’s absolutely nothing in the text which would support a reading of-
[quote]…Anyway, …each one of the bodies jammed in here…had been given an atrocious makeup.
…It wasn’t makeup, …it was more like… their faces had been plowed…![/quote]
Hmm, OK, maybe Battler’s just hyperbolic, he did correct himself, it’s not like it’s some kind of them-
[quote]“I’m sorry, but even I can’t tell you any more than that. …However, I’ll tell you one thing.”
"It’s reasonable to think that the culprit…no, culprits…are multiple in number and fairly well armed. They’d have to be, wouldn’t they? They had to assault the four in the dining hall and kill them, drag a total of six bodies all the way to the storehouse beyond the rose garden, and arrange for that disgusting makeup and the graffiti on the shutter. …There’s no way that a single culprit could carry out all of that on their own, right?"
It made sense. It probably would’ve been possible for a single person with enough time, but it would take so incredibly long. It was probably safe to assume that a significant number of people were involved.[/quote]
Well hrm it’s kind of weird for Eva to say something like that and point out how many people would have to be involved and use the word makeup again but it’s probably just a coincidence. After all, everybody witnessed the brutal deaths of Eva and Hideyoshi up close and-
[quote]"…A-At any rate, we can’t let the children…we can’t let George-kun see this room. Seal this room with all haste…!"
"…Y-Yes, we mustn’t let them see… If George-san saw his parents in this brutal state…“
But they could tell that those fiercely racing footsteps in the hallway belonged to George, even before he came dashing into the room.
George and the other children had been waiting in the parlor.
However, when they saw Genji speak to Natsuhi, when they saw her turn pale and fly out of the parlor, they’d felt a sense of foreboding.
And when they saw a large group of people gathered around the guest room, they were sure of it…
”…Aaahh, wh-what is this…? Another…magic circle?!"
“Aunt Eva and Uncle Hideyoshi are safe, right?! Hey, Kanon-kun! What’s this all about?!”
Kanon didn’t have to say anything. George’s scream after he ran into the room told them everything they needed to know.
”…Uwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaggggh!! Who… who did this?!! I’ll kill you, I’ll kill you!!!"
"…George-kun, …hang in there…"
Natsuhi touched George’s shoulder with her hand, but he violently shook her off.
…George fell over beside Eva and buried his face in the bed in front of his mother’s face, wailing.
Then he pounded on the bed with his fist, over and over again…[/quote]
Well OK so technically literally the entire scene of the discovery of Eva and Hideyoshi’s bodies is unreliable POV but when the cousins got there Battler went in the room and-
[quote]Battler…had his back against the wall of the hallway…and was covering his eyes with his right hand and weeping without restraint…
"…At any rate, we’ll lock this room and leave everything as it is until the police come. …No objections, I take it?"
Natsuhi announced it as though she didn’t care whether they agreed or not.
…If anyone had a right to object, it would’ve been George, …but he looked as though he’d shed enough tears.
George nodded slightly, still facing away from the others, and when he stood up, everyone else agreed too.[/quote]
Oh… so… Battler never set foot in the room and never actually saw Eva’s body up close or Hideyoshi’s body at all and was too preoccupied with weeping and swearing revenge. But at least there was no mention of makeup or anything, that thread of the narrative completely disapp-
[quote]The same type of weapon that had been stabbed into Eva and Hideyoshi’s foreheads…was in Kanon’s chest…
"…Nnng, …ghh, …"
Kanon was curled up in anguish, fresh blood dribbling from the corner of his mouth…
…It was…makeup too extreme for Kanon’s white skin…[/quote]
Well it’s not like that’s a confirmed fake de- oh wait it is. But it’s not like Battler would ever deliberately describe a scene as appearing to be stag-
[quote]And the entrance hall…looked like a stage.
Like the heroine of a tragedy, on the ground and bathed in light, …arrayed in the beauty of that silence, …Aunt Natsuhi lay face up, crumpled on the floor…
Half-crazed, Jessica ran up to Aunt Natsuhi.
…On Aunt Natsuhi’s forehead, …it was almost as though a sparkling shard of pigeon
blood ruby had been placed there.
…And… from it, one stream… of blood makeup… passed by her eye… and began to traverse her face…[/quote]
Bah that’s just a coincidence or a narrative flourish, Battler wouldn’t describe someone with the exact same wound differently in a case where it’s far more likely to be rea-
[quote=“EP2”]Maybe my heart was totally worn out and dead…
Even though I knew it was wrong, …I lifted her head…and checked.
…And, I confirmed that my guess had been right on the mark.
There was a gaping hole in Shannon-chan’s head, and the insides were dripping out.
Not only that, …but you could even see…inside her.
After seeing that, I finally realized I was doing something wrong.
I immediately averted my eyes, but by now, it was probably pointless.[/quote]
Oh. Nevermind. Shit’s fake bro.