Necem, if you want to continue playing the progressive, it would be in your best interests to have Yerian removed from the game. Any other option will confirm your allegiance without any doubt.
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Welp, there goes my last one bit of credibility. For the record, I got 3 radical policies. Not that anybody is still going to believe me at this point. Looks like I would have been an ideal member for the radical side.
Aspirety had nothing to do with this. This is completely my fault. Well, itās not like I could affect the drawing process in any way, but I tried to end this game 2 times now and I wasnāt able to. So I want to take responsibility.
There is an interesting thing I got out of this, though. If you look at the votes we have 4 people voting no and 5 people voting yes. Yerian himself claims that he is radical. We can assume this is true. (If not, sorry but he would be really stupid because the only ones he is deceiving are the progressive players.) He voted no, and so did the other three radical players. This lines up perfectly with what I have in my head, but maybe thatās just me.
Now that it comes to this, I have the right to kill someone. The obvious choice is Yerian. But I doubt this is the right choice to win this game. We have to kill Oyashiro now. Since he himself claims to be radical, I believe there is no way that he is oyashiro. So I want to know from you guys now, should we take the risk and pick someone else (If you have someone else in mind) or should we play it safe and kill Yerian? I would be happy to do so.
I am not, and I still believe that Sapphire is also a progressive member.
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As suspicious as they are, the possibility still exists that they are both progressives.
Looking at who voted no, itās very surprising to me to see that Dabackpack, Pepe and Rabla are there, three people I proposed were extremists. The fourth is Yerian, the one I failed to guess. Does that mean I was only one off the mark, or is it just a coincidence?
Letās assume for a second that both Necem and Sapphire are progressives. They both pushed progressive policies in the past, so they were once trustworthy. If they just got bad luck and received 3 extremist policies both times, then it could be explained. Theyāre both supporting each other because they trust each other. And then, Necem nominated me because he trusts me.
The only evidence against this is the fact that so many people voted YES to Necem as chancellor earlier. But maybe they were just taking a risk on the high chance Sapphire receiving 3 extremist policies? It seems unlikely, but it would make senseā¦
Maybe, just maybe, I was right, and Dabackpack really is oyashiro.
I donāt want to jump to conclusions, but if thatās true, then we could earn a progressive victory right here.
More evidence that theyāre both progressive is a few linked facts. Necem nominated me as chancellor. If he were an extremist, itās likely he doesnāt know who Oyashiro is, otherwise heād nominate Oyashiro. If he WAS Oyashiro, then why would Sapphire nominate him, rather than another extremist who could nominate Necem as chancellor instead? And since we know Iām not Oyashiroā¦ It would just make the most sense if they were both progressive. Why go to so much effort to hide the truth and delay victory?
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Now, Sapphire should have a good idea of Necemās identity, but Necem has no reason to known Sapphireās identity.
@Necem, why do you trust Sapphire?
This is a rather unfortunate turn of eventsā¦
Firstly, Iāll say that I still trust both Necem and Aspirety, and I think that they are telling the truth when they say they drew three radical policies or at least, I think that Aspirety is telling the truth about being given two radical policies, so Necem might be just a little bit untrustworthy, but I doubt it. Anyhow, me and Necem still look very suspicious because we trust each other so we may be radicals, but I can assure you that itās not the case. The reason why I nominated Necem as a special candidate before his turn to be the presidential candidate so that he would be president two times in a row is that the progressives have complete control of the game for two turns. Even if a radical policy gets enacted, whether by the chancellor being a beloved radical or by accident, which is likely to be the case this time, the progressives would still get to use the special abilities, like for example Onikakushi this round, which will come in handy or Investigation. Now, cause of the reason that I stated above and some things that you might have noticed yourselves, like Aspirety stating above that if me and Necem were radicals we would finish this game faster and Necem would nominate the player who is Oyashiro as chancellor rather than him who isnāt Oyashiro, my point is that for these two rounds I want to gather the progressives together and if we get special abilities by enacting radical policies, we use them while both the chancellor and president are progressives, thus by working together and without causing any suspicion on one another and remember that at some point progressives should use special abilities cause they are very helpful to us and if we use them when working together we can be assured that weāre not deceiving one another or anything. If Iām not mistaken, 3 more policies remain in stock and the chance of all three of them being radical ones yet again is high, so if the same thing happens next round weāll get to use the special ability again so this was pretty much my plan, to use the special abilities together. As for something that @Pepe noted, as to why I put so much of my trust in Necem, Iāll be nice and tell you why. Even though a few other players have enacted radical policies, Necem was the most trustworthy because: Aspirety seems very trustworthy and has a very determined attitude towards winning the game, but he enacted a progressive policy indirectly, Pepe also enacted a progressive policy indirectly through me, CJ nominated Rabla who had been suspicious for a while without giving any clear reasons, thus this easily makes Necem the most trustworthy one.
That post was long and probably pretty boring, so let us say something that will brighten the progressivesā hopes for the future of Hinamizawa: letās demon Yerian away. Frankly, I donāt think we have a better choice at this point, Yerian is the only one who has revealed where his loyalties are and Iām afraid weāll make a mistake if we pick somebody else who might be a progressive, for now we have the most solid evidence on Yerian. I highly doubt heās Oyashiro, cause he wouldnāt give his identity away so easily if he were, but still, itāll be one less radical for us. And if heās a progressive, yeah wellā¦ thatās a dumb move, saying youāre a radical since it will only make the other progressives more suspicious of you and can result in being demoned away. But the final choice is Necemās of course, so what do you think, @Necem?
As for who might be our beloved Oyashiro-sama, Iāve had a good idea for a while now, but I wonāt reveal it just yet, though Iāll say this: itās one of the people Aspirety suspects of being radicals, but itās not DaBackpack.
Speaking of, what rumours should we spread for the member who will be demoned away soon? That we last saw them boarding a train to Tokyo or that we found some of their belongings in the Gifu mountains? 
Why would it be yerian and not dabackpack? I actually think dabackpack would be a bit more likely to be oyashiro if yerian is a radical because of that very first government. Yerian picked dabackpack, maybe to hint to his oyashiro that he was a radical too? Take from that what you will.
She didnāt say that he was Oyashiro, just that we should pick him to be safe.
On closer inspection, Yerian is the next in line to be president, so it might erase a big problem if we remove him now.
I think Eisen is trustworthy, at least.
I say we remove Yerian.
I would be utterly disappointed in all of you if you didnt remove me! After all, I am the only one causing problems right now! If not for me you could have solved your mystery long ago, establishing a solid progressive government and ridding yourself of radicals for good!
Given that this may be my last time speaking with all of you in one place, please, allow me to issue a final admonishment:
As I told you before, Aspiretyās list of radicals is incorrect. While the vast majority of my warnings have been ignored, now, in the end, I do feel like I have at least succeeded in making the council question their actions.
However, after being removed from this council, I will no longer be able to help you. It seems that most of you have taken Aspiretyās words to heart, and I will tell you all straight up: there is a rather high probability that you will fail if you continue to listen to him. I know that it is not in my best interest as a radical to tell you progressives that. But since I will almost certainly be removed within the next 24 hours, the last gratification I can get out of this game will be this āI told you so.ā
Farewell my friends. To the progressives, some of you, I congratulate on your stellar gameplay; others, I am disappointed in your indecisiveness and lack of critical thinking. To my fellow radicals, some of you, I was proud to serve with, as you made this game interesting; others, I continue to shake my head at your lack of strategy.
And if I do happen to still be here tomorrowā¦ well then, someone fucked up smirk ahaha.wav
This is starting to get very very confusingā¦
Alright, so I admit, my theory with aspirety being oyashiro was wrong, as we were proven. However, Necem being involved with yet another radical policy? Thatās just fishy right there. If we assume that Yerian and DaBackpack drew one progressive policy (and discarded it), that would make the probability of drawing 6 radical policies in a row come out toā¦ 33%. Not a small probability, by any means, but still lower than half. At this point, thereās a 66% chance that Necem drew a progressive policy and ultimately discarded it.
If he were a radical, though, there are some things that would not make sense. Firstly, why would he elect aspirety as chancellor? Electing oyashiro-sama would make more sense at this point in the game. Unless oyashiro himself is already under fire, and way too suspicious to be elected. In that case, maybe he just wanted to get a win by enacting enough radical policies. With only one progressive policy remaining in the deck, he has total control, really. Pretty much anybody who he elects into presidency would have no choice but to enact a radical policy, simply because he could easily discard any progressive policy that arrived. That being the case, aspiretyās choice might just be a scapegoat, really. That actually makes aspi a bit more trustworthy in my eyes. If Necem were radical, he would have no reason for electing a non-oyashiro radical into presidency
I may be giving Sapphire some benefit, having worked with her before, but I still really find their reasoning for trusting Necem enough to give him power over three straight rounds simply flawed. Yes, he directly enabled a progressive policy, but just because he did that does not make him innocent. I personally feel that you made a mistake Sapphire. And because of this, I am already saying that I will vote no for Necemās next government, regardless of who he suggests as a chancellor.
So, we now come to the question of who should be killed. Yerian seems like an obvious choice, yes. At this point I have no qualms over killing him off butā¦ think of it this way. He has alredy revealed himself to be a radical, right? That means he has pretty much no chance of being elected. He has no chance in participating in any government whatsoever. Like, Iād surely vote no against him if he becomes president or chancellor, and I figure most of the other people would follow suit. Thus, killing him off serves no purpose, really. The people here wonāt put him into power, and his discussion isnāt really fazing us (from what we can see). That said, wouldnāt it be more useful to kill somebody who might still be elected, but has a high chance of being a radical? My personal choice is on EisenKoubu, but you guys might have other ideas. On the other side of the coin, Rabla is also pretty suspicious, as is cj. DaBackpack is way too quiet right now so I canāt gauge him. And I doubt youād shoot the trigger at sapphire or aspi. Or, hey, you could even kill me, if you find me way too suspicious. Frankly Iām just trying to make heads or tails of what is actually happening right now.
Even up to now, I trust nobody.
Yerian will be president next round if heās not killed off now. You donāt get a say in who becomes president.
Everyone can vote No and he gets skipped though.
Killing Yerian is a complete utter waste of the ability because we can block out any move he tries to make as a collective vote. For all intents and purposes, as a confessed Radical he canāt actually play anymore because we should just immediately shut him down whenever heās President and no-one should ever nominate him as Chancellor at this point.
What? They donāt take votes for presidents. Donāt you guys realise that?
Just so there are no rule uncertainties here, if a vote fails, the presidential candidate rotates to the next person in line.
No no noā¦ The president is chosen based on rotation. Only the chancellor gets in based on a vote.
Iya iya iya, when cj nominated Rabla as his chancellor and the vote failed, cj lost his opportunity to be president and the next person in line, Sapphire, became presidential candidate. Presidential candidates rotate in a set order, but when you vote, you vote for a government as a whole - president AND chancellor.
Have you not been paying attention?
When CJās nomination for me as Chancellor failed, BOTH of us were passed over, and Sapphire had his run with Necem.
We have full control over Yerianās participation in the game from now on. Killing him is an absolute waste. Heās no longer a threat simply by admission.
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