you incompetent fool
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Because I want to trust someone. After all that happened so far, Sapphire seems like the most logical choice for me. Just like you, Aspirety. If we progressives try do doubt every bit and every move of each other, we wont get anywhere. Not one person in this council is free of suspicion. Everybody did something wrong at some point. But we donât know if, whatever they did, was intentional or pure chance.
I think you are forgetting that he still has the right to vote. And at this point, he could just always vote in favor for the radicals. This game could end every turn now, he has no reason to hold back and try to disguise anything with his votes. Thatâs the reason why I also want him removed from this council.
That being said, Onikakushi will hit Yerian.
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God dammit Necem
@Yerian@EisenKoubu@Aspirety@Rabla@Pepe@DaBackpack@cjlim2007@Sapphire@Necem
Our president has made a decision! @Yerian has been Onikakushiâd! For all intents and purposes, they are out of the game.
Current game status
Radical policies played: 4
Progressive policies played: 4!
Next presidential privilege unlocked by radical policy: Onikakushi (also VETO is unlocked)
Previous government: Necem and Aspirety
Remaining policies in stock: 3
Killed by Onikakushi: Yerian
If Oyashiro is elected chancellor, the radicals win.
Election Phase
@Necem, you are the current presidential candidate, please nominate a chancellor. Do note that Aspirety cannot be nominated as chancellor since he was part of the previous government. Feel free to take your time and discuss the results of the previous government phase with your fellow council members, but once youâve made up your mind regarding a chancellor, please state their name in bold. We will then start the voting.
Sweats profusely
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My choice for the next chancellor is probably obvious. I nominate Sapphire.
Now itâs up to you all. We progressives are in a vast majority now. The radicals shouldnât be able to do what they want anymore.
You can decide:
Do you still trust me and Sapphire, like you did before?
or
Do you want someone else to become president and choose a chancellor?
Maybe you trust EisenKoubu? Or Aspirety? Maybe Rabla?
But whatever you choose, keep in mind that we donât have much more time left.
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Voting Phase
@Yerian@EisenKoubu@Aspirety@Rabla@Pepe@DaBackpack@cjlim2007@Sapphire@Necem
Since our presidential candidate has chosen a chancellor, itâs time for everyone to vote.
President: Necem
Chancellor: Sapphire
Do you trust these two to represent you and the entire village of Hinamizawa and enact a policy on your behalf? Please PM your votes directly to me.
Necem, you were already suspicious before, but your hasty actions here are more suspicious than ever. You should have no reason to trust the person who gave you 2 radical policies, and yet you trust her so faithfully, and she trusts you too. I can only conclude that you are both radicals. Maybe Sapphire is even Oyashiro.
Even if thatâs not true, itâs much safer to vote no in this situation.
I⌠completely agree. Youâve been involved in 2 Radical Policies back-to-back, once from each position.
Its hard to believe there was that much bad luck involved both times.
And you ignored the entire topic of how Yerian wasnât a threat without giving us any room to convince you, you killed as soon as you came back into the conversation.
Are you trying to make yourself look better by killing a Radical? No point keeping a useless partner around, right?
This is a super hard No on this nomination.
I believe I left everyone 2 days to say what they think.
And I have no reason to trust anyone else in this council. No matter whom I choose as chancellor, there is the possibility that they are Oyashiro. Iâm well aware that there also is the possibility that Sapphire herself is Oyashiro.
Because Yerian WAS a threat. Like I said, his vote counts just like everyone elseâs. Plus, since he is radical, he knows exactly for whom he should vote yes or no. If I choose any other person, there is a possibility that this person is progressive. What is the point in trying to kill Oyashiro with a 1/8 chance? If I get the wrong person, It only gets harder for us.
Which you then came in and effectively ignored.
If Yerian continued to vote how the radical team planned, weâd be able to use that to identify voting patterns and potential Radical players. Aspirety has previously made deductions just based on votes alone, and knowing who to look at makes it easier for us to see obvious group efforts.
Youâve not only thrown away a controllable piece who weâd control the influence of, youâve also thrown away potential leads.
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In the end its still my choice. If everyone had agreed that Yerian is not the right choice, I wouldnât have done it. Since some people had the same opinion as me, I did what I did.
If this would have been a week or two ago, I would totally agree. But now, we have 4 radical and 5 progressive policies. This game could end every turn now. I believe the time for effective information gathering is over. One bad move and everything is over.
How did you plan to get information out of Yerian, while still playing it safe? Let everyone vote no, and if Yerian votes yes, that person is radical?
Well if you ignored our advice then donât be surprised when no one trusts you at the end of the day.
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Things seem to have gotten rather tense around here while I havenât been around, so letâs see what I have to say for myself now. Apparently, me and Necem are the bad guys now cause weâre putting our trust in one another, which is something only radicals do according to everybody here, though progressives should truly start doing that soon if they care to win the game at all. Now, progressives have no way of 100% confirming one of their ownâs identity except by using the investigation ability, which they can do only by passing a radical policy and that would of course make them look quite suspicious. So say, even if a progressive has previously confirmed who one of their allies is they would be untrustworthy in the eyes of any progressive and if they were telling that they trust this person cause they know theyâre allies, others would think they are radicals and are trusting one another. What Iâm meaning to tell is that openly trusting somebody in this game will only make unknowing progressives more suspicious towards innocent players and then our ever so manipulative radicals may influence them by telling that theyâre suspicious. Thatâs exactly whatâs happening with Necem and me and a certain somebody whoâs very likely to be a fellow progressive may be influenced by them, so you may have to vote again and vote yes this time, Aspirety.
Also, I have no reason to trust Necem at all, I do not know what anybodyâs alignment in this game is so he may very well be a radical. I know that when I was president, I received three radical policies and gave him two so he had no choice at that time, but as some of you think, he may have tricked Aspirety and made him pass a radical policy if he discarded a progressive policy and handed him two radical ones. If that happens again for a second time in a row this round with me, I should really start suspecting him, but Iâll continue believing him for a little while. He could be taking advantage of this trust of mine if heâs a radical, of course.
Anyhow, the ones who seem to make us look the most suspicious and who disagreed with demoning Yerian away the most were Pepe and Rabla, so I would like to answer a bit to the vague arguments they have presented. Firstly, Iâm certain both of them are radicals and I think Pepe may be Oyashiro, cause he is one of the most neutral players and has never made himself look like he is on any side. All radicals have to act that way, so he may be just a normal radical, but Oyashiro-sama especially has to be the least suspicious, so thatâs what I think. I may or may not trust him though, so there is still reason for you suspicious ones to suspect me being a radical, after all. Now, Pepe/maybe Oyashiro suggested we pick Eisen for Onikakushi, and Eisen seemed suspicious early on cause of the radical policy that was passed when he was president, which to be more precise, was directly passed by Rabla and he could have lied about Eisen giving him two radical policies. For the rest of the game, Eisen has been pretty passive and while I still wouldnât say that I trust him to be innocent completely, I was a bit surprised with Pepeâs suggestion. There are have been other, more controversial players recently like say, Rabla, and maybe a progressive would focus more on that rather than on a player who was controversial only early on and has been mostly passive later on. Not to mention that Eisenâs turn to be president would be after Yerianâs and if Eisen truly is a progressive they would want to remove him and maybe manipulate Aspirety into picking a radical as chancellor or maybe even Aspirety is a radical. Also, Rabla has given a very vague reason as why we shouldnât have demoned away Yerian, none at all actually, just that looking at players who voted in the same way as him would help identify other radicals, but wouldnât one or two voting phases be enough to notice patterns? It would be quite nonsensical and very much a radicalâs thought to keep him in the game more than that.
I shouldnât help the radicals by telling them this much though, and progressives change your votes now while thereâs still time, we should finish this game as soon as possible. I assure you that I donât know anything about anybody, Necem included and I am not Oyashiro, Karifean will confirm this if you elect me, though I may be a beloved radical, of course. Anyhow, letâs win this and letâs not regret this chance later.
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Youâre ignoring the main problem. Instead of trying to defend yourself youâre just pointing at others and calling them more suspicious.
The issue it that, you and Necem have no reason to trust each other as much as you do. You yourself have made clear that you donât know Necemâs alignment, but you trusted him anyway, and continue trust him despite all the evidence stacked against him. The same goes for Necem. These actions are very unusual.
And donât give me that bs about âbeing influencedâ by Rabla and Pepe. I reached that conclusion on my own, as youâll see if you look at the order of the posts. There is a very good reason to let Yerian not be killed off, and thatâs the fact that we can just vote no for him and skip his turn. Yerian effectively has no power over the game, so we wouldâve been better served using it on someone else.The moment this came to light, Necem immediately killed off Yerian, and heâs been acting rash ever since.
The one thing Iâll give you is that Pepeâs nomination of EisenKoubu was very out of nowhere.
What ever can I defend myself with, though? As you and I have both said, I donât have any solid proof on Necem nor anybody, all I can tell to all members of our council is that I assure them that I am a progressive, but for now, you have just my word for that and thatâs nothing solid. Like I said last time though, if Necem passes a radical policy yet again this time then he truly must have manipulated me and I wonât trust him anymore. But from what I can see, most players will be voting no on our government, Iâm sure that Aspirety, Pepe and Rabla will do so cause they even said so themselves, and since I believe the latter two to be radicals, there should be another radical that will vote no, maybe that radical is even Aspirety himself and progressives might be confused by recent events surrounding me and Necem and may vote no, the best case scenario is that this ends in a draw, but even so, the government still fails, right @Karifean?
And donât worry @Aspirety, I wonât say that Pepe and Rabla influenced you, I didnât express myself well. What I meant to say was that they may do so in the future, they are agreeing with what you think now and with what seems right, actually, so not even you but other progressives too may be manipulated by them and they can make themselves look good by agreeing with you and saying what you want to hear, thus getting ahead in the game. But then again, thatâs what I may have done in the past and could be still doing too, but you have already figured me out for the bad, bad person I am, right?
If Necem passes another radical policy the game is over unless Oyashiro is killed.
Um, no, six radical policies have to be enacted for the game to be won by the radicals. If another radical policy is passed if Necem passes another one, the game is over unless we remove Oyashiro. But Necem and me probably wonât be elected this round, soâŚ
Sorry my bad. But we donât have time for this
To be honest, I honestly think you being a radical has a pretty low probability. I think that, yes, you trust necem, and you have stated your reason for trusting necem, but I still think that trust is misplaced. Iâm trying to tell you now: trust nobody but yourself. Never make a decision to do something because you keep your trust in them; in this game, all decisions must be made with some strategy done with them. So, no, I donât think youâre suspicious. I just think youâre not being very strategic and are denying the possibility of necem being a radical.
Also, I wasnât trying to influence anybody either. As always, I am saying my words to the wind, not minding whether somebody else picks them up. If anything, my posts are more of a journal to myself. Which is why I nominated eisen: because I have been mistrustful of him ever since I made the connection between his + rablaâs government, and rablaâs + cjâs government. Iâve been pretty open about that. But I also put in nominations for pretty much everyone else, including myself.
Going back to the game: we have one more chance. Either the next policy is progressive, and we win, or the next policy is radical, and we reach sudden death. Should that be the case, I think people will be extremely wary of who to vote into office. Once that happens, I think the only choice at that point would be to make sides and let majority win.
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