Rokkenjima Secret Oyashiro III [Finished - One True Kings Victory]

Uhm, adding up that ideally, whoever is investigated would be done in the optics of a progressive results making them the most likely choice for next chancellor-ship. Of course, unless you want to investigate starturner himself.

Indeed, I am leaning towards investigating @Blackrune however it also comes down to what @StarTurner has to say. I am also waiting to hear a bit from @Wonderlander as to their reasoning on what was happening.

I really want to get everyoneā€™s opinions here. This is the last investigate that we can get, and depending on what the results of that conflict are, perhaps the only one we progressives have gotten, which makes this all the more important.

I do very much value your opinion on this, however, Usagi. At the moment you are probably the one I am most confident is a fellow Progressive, and as such I am very much taking your advice into consideration. I just canā€™t however only act on that. We need to make sure that we as a group stick together and debate as much as possible so that we can reach the truth and the most probable way to reach the truth of the matter.

On a side note, while it is unlikely, we do have to prepare for the unfortunate scenario that even if everyone was telling the truth, there is a very distinct possibility that both Progressive policies remaining are at the very bottom of the Deck, which means we will not get access to them before the reshuffle, which would leave us with, in this scenario, a spread of 8 OTK and 4 Progressives in the stack, along with us being in Oyashiro time.

This would be a very, very unfortunate circumstance, but something that is at least possible, if not entirely probable.

That is, however, just my two cents on the issue at hand, and I have nary a Progressive policy to my name so feel free to take everything I say with a grain of salt.

Well I have two reasons as to why I voted no. First one is kinda incompetent, but I thought that the signup list above was the presidential list, and I trust @thesorceress more than you @Restkastel, and since we could have avoided one more government. After I realized that, I didnā€™t change my vote because:

A) I was curious about the reactions.
B) Laziness.

Anyways I donā€™t trust you. Much. Which is why I donā€™t want you to investigate any of your targets. Target somebody else other than those three.

But your choice. :slight_smile:

May I ask why you do? To be honest, she hasnā€™t talked much in the thread and she had no choice but to play a Progressive policy since she was, if we believe what both of them said, given two progressive policies by Usagi.

This isnā€™t to say that I mistrust her, more that theres no reason to trust her over me since theres as much empirical evidence both ways, at least if you believe what everyone has said. This goes doubly so from before the deck forced me to play an OTK policy.

It seems odd that you would want me to target someone other than those three as well. They are, as we have discussed among others and not just myself, the ones most likely to provide the most use out of this policy for us. If you donā€™t trust me, then it stands to reason that you would just ignore the results and urge others to do the same by arguing in such a way to persuade them to do so. Getting less relevant information out of a policy like this only helps the OTK, as they want to limit the amount of information flowing and cause as much confusion as possible among us.

Both Usagi and I are curious as to why you also voted for Pictoshark, despite voting me down immediately after. This seemsā€¦odd. Could you clarify why you did so?

I still donā€™t really see why investigating @akafa123 is any more messy than investigating anyone else. Itā€™s all going to come down to whether we trust @Restkastel or not but it should clear up whether the results of the first investigation were true or not. We keep saying itā€™s possible that theyā€™re both OTKs but I donā€™t see how thatā€™s possible unless someone messed up bad.

Also I donā€™t think Iā€™m suspicious! Or not talking. That might be because I know Iā€™m progressive. Itā€™s kinda very hard to tell anything from an outside perspective.

Honestly no choice is a bad choice though. And @StarTurner might not talk because they might be a radical who doesnā€™t want to give anything away or a progressive that doesnā€™t know what to say. Is there an option you prefer, @Restkastel?

Well, Star actually is a victim of time zones in large part. He lives in Aussieland so its hard to judge his allegiance off of his participation really. So we will be waiting a while for his opinion, but thats fine.

As for what I think is a good decision? I am still debating honestly. It all depends on how many of you are willing to trust my investigation.

If people are generally willing to trust me, then I think investigating Akafa would be a good idea since its a two for one. If his comes up Progressive, then we not only have found an OTK, but we would have found for sure a Progressive that we could now trust due to the conflict being resolved. On the flip side, if he is an OTK, then we cant be as sure of Pictoā€™s innocence, but it does lower the chances of him being an OTK significantly.

If people are less willing, then I think investigating either Blackrune, Star, or whoever Star was thinking of nominating as a chancellor would be a better idea. After all, it would take most people trusting me and my investigation to make it so that the conflict was considered resolved instead of being added to. As such, I think this is the most likely option considering we already have one naysayer in Wonderlander. It all depends on what everyone else has to say though.

So in the end, it comes down to whether you all are willing to trust me. I would be honored if you still did, but I can understand why you would not, so I will not be offended as long as the reason makes sense.

Just my view, but.
Well first to clear things out of the way I donā€™t view you as suspicious in any ways. I may be vain or simply not very used to the game but people who are prone to trust me makes me want to reflect it back on them. That could always be some sort of plot, of course, and Iā€™m keeping my eyes opened on that, but thereā€™s definitively nothing you have done that gave me a reason to suspect you. Like everyone else, thatā€™s always prone to change over time, positively or negatively.

However concerning the akafa problem it really comes down to them claiming pictoshark is an OTK and then voting for them. However you want to turn this around, this suggests a player who is playing the game with ā€œhaving funā€ in mind over ā€œwinningā€.

Possibilities :

  1. Akafa and Pictoshark are OTK both and akafa revealing pictosharkā€™s faction truthfully isā€¦ a weird move.
  2. Afaka alone is an OKT and voting for pictoshark after lying about their allegience isā€¦ a weird move.
  3. Pictoshark only is an OKT and voting for someone they know to be a radical while being a progressive isā€¦ a weird move.
  4. Neither are OKT are claiming pictoshark to be an OTK while knowing they are progressive and being progressive themselves isā€¦ a weird move.

Itā€™s almost a debate over which of these four scenarios is most likely because I canā€™t personally rule out absolutely any of them.

When it really comes down to it, if pictoshark is an OTK and they know it with absolute certainty, voting for them is an OTK move, and if pictoshark is a progressive, claiming they are an OTK is an OTK move, and thatā€™s entirely independent on their actual allegiance.

Of course later actions may gradually come to clear this kind of things away, itā€™s not impossible akafa is a progressive who did a silly move for fun and then decided to play the game seriously after.

For now, Iā€™ll refrain on further influencing things then I probably already didā€¦ But I sorta had to speak up about this.

Well, it seems in my beauty-sleep Iā€™ve awoken up to a lot of stuff! @Restkastel I think investigating @Blackrune or me is fine, whichever you think will get more relevant information, really. I think either is fine. I think investigating @akafa123 isnā€™t as good, as we already have some information there. I think Iā€™ll nominate @Blackrune as my Chancellor either way, so take your pick. @Karifean for the tag.

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I guess I will go with Blackrune just to be safe then. All the information has come in.

I will Investigate @Blackrune

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@UsagiTenpura @Blackrune @akafa123 @PictoShark @Restkastel @StarTurner @PocketyHat @thesorceress @Wonderlander @Rabla

@Restkastel has been granted a single red truth.


Current game status

One True King policies played: 2
Progressive policies played: 2
Next presidential privilege unlocked by OTK policy: Special Candidacy
Previous government: Restkastel and UsagiTenpura
Remaining policies in stock: 5

And Iā€™ll just be so free as to take Starā€™s nomination as a confirmation, even though it wasnā€™t even nomination phase yet. Feel free to object to this, @StarTurner, and I will revert to the Nomination Phase so long as itā€™s reasonably soon.

Voting Phase

Since our presidential candidate has chosen a chancellor, itā€™s time for everyone to vote.

President: StarTurner
Chancellor: Blackrune

Do you trust these two to represent you and the entire village of Hinamizawa and enact a policy on your behalf? You have 24 more hours to get your votes in.

What I got was this.

Blackrune is Progressive

Whether you care to believe me or not is up to you. In any case, that gives us a good candidate for future Chancellorships.

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This is good, as if youā€™re right this is someone we can trust, but of course we will see, itā€™s never 100% after all.

@StarTurner Iā€™m guessing you didnā€™t want restkastelā€™s investigation to influence your choice in case they are lying and trying to lead you astray from the form of your post, but I just want to point out it probably wouldā€™ve been better to say so clearly.

I mean, I actually think itā€™s a smart move and agree fully with the blackrune choice.

Well, I intended it like that, but Iā€™m not to good at saying things bluntly like that, my brain doesnā€™t like to make what I want to say clear for me :frowning:

@Restkastel
or
@pictoshark
Would be much obliged if either of you would show us the probabilities currently.

Already did earlier.

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Damn it, sorry, Iā€™m a baka baka.
Guess the thread has become too large.
Thank you very much nonetheless.

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No problem. I always post it relatively soon after the policies are announced. Its easy to forget.

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I AM VOTING YES

@Karifean is a dummy