@Blackrune is the best choice. If everything goes okay this round, and a progressive policy gets picked, I’m nominating them for normal candidacy and, if bad things happen, they’d be the best choice for the special thing. Hopefully a progressive policy goes through and we don’t have to worry about that though.
Sorry for triple posting. I hadn’t really thought of that so now I have some thoughts.
If @Blackrune is Oyashiro that means that @Restkastel is a OTK. Which I don’t think is true. I’m going to be really mad if that’s true, honestly, I mean mad at me more than anyone but like sadness will fill me forever and I’m going to feel incredibly stupid. I really hate the idea we’ve all been listening to someone this entire game who’s trying to destroy everything. Anyway, that’s possible but I’m not going to believe that’s the case without a lot more proof. Mostly because I hate the idea very much.
Anyway, I’m voting yes. I don’t know about @PocketyHat but, if I’m not wrong, I think there’s a good chance that they’re going to get at least one progressive policy in the draw and, if @PocketyHat isn’t a OTK than at least one progressive policy’s gonna make it to @UsagiTenpura who I’m like 80% sure is a progressive.
I’m getting constantly more convinced @pictoshark is a OTK mostly because of that weird little rant up there.
In any case, hopefully everything comes up progressive this round and we don’t have to plot about special candidacy stuff because it’s not going to happen.
I am not sure, but it would make perfect sense wouldn’t it? Plus, with everybody so inclined to believe Rest, I am just trying to show another very viable option. It feels like Rest is just trying to undermine me with all that talk though. If he were a progressive, I feel as if he would be more open to different ideas. Yes I think you are an OTK Rest, doesn’t make me an auto-OTK if you aren’t.
Well, I still don’t think Restkastel would make me look this trustworthy if they were OTK. Seems more like something only progressives (or Oyashiro) would do.
And I’m still not sure about you, @Wonderlander. The progressive policy you played earlier was fair enough, but those few odd votes made it seem a little like you have extra information. Of course it’s not anything all that decisive.
WHAT?! I was angry that rest said he would do something to help me show my trustworthiness and then he didn’t. Being a little mad about that makes me a King? Are you friggin’ high?
Welp, just gotta wait for you all to see how wrong you are when the game ends.
It was my mistake to trust a blood sack like you to think rationally…
Considering the progressive policy was forced (if i remember correctly), literally all we know about @Wonderlander is that they vote oddly sometimes.
Not sure if I wanna trust someone like that…
NO! IF @Restkastel is a King like you’re saying, that actually reduces the odds of @Blackrune being Oyashiro, because: The Kings win if Oyashiro is elected chancellor once we enter “Oyashiro Time”.
It would be a waste for a King to use Special Candidacy to pick Oyashiro as President because then Oyashiro cannot be elected as chancellor in that government, or the next one if that government succeeds.
#If Restkastel is a King then it be very odd for Blackrune to be Oyashiro.
A far more likely theory if Restkastel is a King would be to say that Blackrune, is also a King.
Lordy lord, another incompetent ally? It seems our team has our work cut out for us…
Also @Wonderlander, please explain these bizarre votes?
We shouldn’t trust Wonderlander until he explains them.
To be specific:
Why did you vote No for the @akafa123, @Rabla government? We had no information on either, it was early game, did you really take me bizarre joke (at the time) so seriously…?
Why did you vote Yes for the @pictoshark, @PocketyHat government? That was a very odd move in the eyes of the table…
Why did you vote No for the @Restkastel, @UsagiTenpura government? Everyone else voted yes…
You misremember. Wonderlander’s policy wasn’t the forced one.
But since it was early in the game and only the second policy I’m not sure how much weight to put on that.
Tch, I retract my demand for explanation then.
Still it would ease our minds if you explained anyway, @Wonderlander
So many issues at once wish I had gotten online earlier…
My mind’s kinda mess right now so I’m not able to really properly comment either. I’ll admit that as an observer in previous games I hadn’t really considered this and I’m new to this game in the end, but while I’m quite honored to have been picked up twice as chancellor I’m also horrified as the possibility to be forced to pass a second OTK policy, which remains part of possibilities.
I guess I’ll take a bet and dive in and vote yes trusting myself as a chancellor is probably the best of move since in the end while I have no idea about pocketyhat’s allegiance, the next few candidates are all bets as far as I’m concerned so I may as well trust that at least in this case if pocketyhat is a progressive, or somehow obtains 2 progressive policies if she’s OTK… then I’ll be able to pass a progressive policy.
As far as general trust issue I just want to point out that when it comes down to it, if oyashiro played properly they’d go out of their ways to act progressive. It’s extremely hard to rule out someone from being oyashiro, unless I’m not getting something there.
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These are the only things we really absolutely know.
-First of all, at least one between akafa and pictoshark are OTK.
-Also, if Blackrune is an OTK, so is Restkastel. If Blackrune is a progressive however, Restkastel isn’t necessarily one. However…
-Also, if Restkastel is a progressive, so is Blackrune.
In other words what really comes out of this is that the following two scenarios are ruled out :
-Akafa and Pictoshark are both progressives is IMPOSSIBLE
-Blackrune is an OTK but Restkastel is a progressive is IMPOSSIBLE
These are the only things that logically follow. Of course, unless some players are just not taking the game seriously and playing against their own team… but I’d rather avoid thinking about that.
Well, I’m done stating the obvious, but this may help players who aren’t paying a large amount of attention to the game due to various reasons, such as what hat claims.
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I’m going to add some stuff, more like rambling…
I haven’t been vocal about who I trust and distrust, I apologize if some people who have voiced clear trust toward me are offended by me not clearly returning it, but to be quite frank it’s like the dice are still rolling in my mind and I haven’t yet made clear judgements on that. I will most likely become more vocal about this after this turn.
One thing I do want to point out is that OTK presidential candidate have essentially no reason to pick up a fellow OTK chancellor at least before Oyashiro zone. The chances of obtaining 2 progressive policies are quite low and picking up a progressive chancellor may actually make people trust them more especially if that chancellor is someone who falls into general trust - which in this scenario seems to be Blackrune and my own self. Generally speaking an OTK president could forcibly pass an OTK policy on their own or may not even have a choice in the matter. However it’s also true that a progressive president may be inclined to chose a trustworthy progressive chancellor, so basically it doesn’t bring up any real suspicion, it just doesn’t actually remove the possibility of it either, at least at this stage of the game.
What I’m trying to say probably here is that trusting me as chancellor (or blackrune for the matter, or whoever else is leaning trustworthy such as star) shouldn’t really be what greatly influences the vote of “yes” or “no”. When it comes down to it, if you are not trusting pocketyhat or not wanting to take a chance in the matter (while keeping in mind the sequence of nukes it could create) you should vote against this government even if you actually trust me.
The same goes for following governments. However there’s also a matter of keeping in mind that between pocketyhat, thesorceress, and wonderlander ideally at least one should be trusted enough to be elected. Also to keep in mind that if pocketyhat+me are elected, the same issue will then follow for thesorceress, wonderlander and rabla.
Not going to hide that due to this I would’ve rather pocketyhat chosen someone on the basis of information on the following candidates, but this is the situation we have. I can’t exactly back out of being a chancellor candidate, but this is what I would’ve preferred.
I understand how pocketyhat and thesorcess are people we have no information on and so falls into the ??? zone and from what I’m reading there are doubts toward wonderlander, so while I have a tendency to feel similarly to blackrune about wanting to go back to the start (since at the very least I trust myself and I’m inclined to trust blackrune) it’s not really a good ideas for progressive to remain in doubt over all four of the next candidates. So may as well give a try, the issue is who you’d want to take chances on.
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Objection! While the chance of getting PPK is usually lower than PKK, it’s still often a possibility, and so some King presidents will still pick King chancellors, so they can get a King policy out of a PPK.
Also if you have a double King government, then you can fake a choice, where the president forces 2 Progressive policies on their ally, and speaks before them saying they gave them a choice. This makes the chancellor seem more trustworthy, which can be useful for later.
This precise play is why we have the whole the chancellor should speak first tactic, it breaks up moves like this.
Alright, PSA over.
The facts are against me being an OTK for the most part however, and the fact that you have voted rather oddly and early game Progs don’t matter nearly as much for proving allegiances, as sometimes its better to lie in wait and be less obvious, along with this is why I distrust you because of your intimations about me lying.
Naturally, I brought this to the attention of everyone.
I second this sentiment, these odd votes are a very big niggling question and one of the major reasons that I am willing to name you an OTK because of your thinking that I am an OTK and Blackrune is Oyashiro, both of which I know are false.
And again, I have been saying that I personally don’t trust Wonderlander because of their suspicion of me. I would not want them as a president because of the powers they might wield in the future if we end up in a position where the president can perform an Onikakushi. After all, they would likely go for who they think is Oyashiro or a King failing a good idea on that, and both of those, to the knowledge I have thanks to my own knowledge of my role and investigation, are Progressives.
Naturally I would be VERY hesitant about having them be able to be in office because of this. And that is even before going into their odd voting habits. In the end, its a major issue for me either way. I would rather be safe than sorry after all, and the only ones I really trust here are Usagi, Blackrune, and -maybe- star. Though Star could have been forced to give a choice by virtue of drawing two Progs instead of the one he claimed so even that is not a sure thing.
@StarTurner @Rabla @akafa123 @PocketyHat @thesorceress
What do you think? I mean, our beloved Rest, Usagi, Blackrune and picto are basically running the game themselves. Seriously guys, if you are progressive speak up. When I try to speak up they shut me down. Maybe you don’t believe all of them are OTK and probably they aren’t, but we shouldn’t let them choose our fates for us. I know I am progressive. Heck I even played a progressive over a King policy. Yet they claim I am not trustworthy because of my votes. I think it is because I am going against them. Come on guys. Please speak up. I need allies.
And I voted no for you because I didn’t trust you. Simple as that. Why does it have to be more complicated?
Though if I were to be a president and if a King policy were to pass through, I would naturally have a discussion over who to use my privilege on, and obey what the thread says. Though I would want a discussion, not just one sided hammering from @Restkastel and @pictoshark
Except that begs the question of -why- you didn’t trust me. There frankly was no information on the matter available to us progressives. I had not been a member of a government, I was very vocal in trying to help guide us in a progressive direction, and the person you have stated that you trusted more than I had the same amount of information on them as I did, less even since they did not talk much.
This honestly is a bit fishy to me, and the same goes for the vote with Akafa since the same applied there. You also voted into conflict which almost always throws suspicion on a person. This is why we ask for reasons more than “I didn’t trust you” because that seems rather weak and flimsy in the face of the fact that you had no real evidence to go on when it came to that.
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HAHAHAHAHA!
Could you be any more blatant about your attempts to pit the Progressives against each other?
Kuhuhuhuhu…
Because you are in a conflict. I dont fully trust either you or Akafa because of it. Perfectly reasonable explanation really.
You do say reasonable things usually, but I made it a policy to never vote into conflict, even if I find what someone is saying to be reasonable. It could easily just be them trying to play for being trusted before they play a radical and go back to being distrusted.
I do hope you are a Progressive, but I cant afford to take the risk of extending my trust to you due to the situation we find ourselves in.
Because you know you wouldn’t stand a chance otherwise, right?
Kuhuhuhuhu