Just raising the possibility.
Usagi could still be Oyashiro without me being a King.
If I am Oyashiro, this wouldāve been the best move of the OTK to win.
If I am Oyashiro, than akafa, pictoshark and thesorcess are OTKs.
Iām certain two of you are progressives, thesorceress and pictoshark, so think about this.
I have no idea why akafa voted for this government, perhaps for the same reason he voted for pictoshark? Anyway, I probably shouldnāt add anything there, Iām clearly not trusted.
Iām actually mostly sad that we didnāt learn more from the way people voted here. Perhaps the only thing left to ask is which of us was distrusted, or both?
Nice attempt Usagi, but you canāt make me move like that.
I was very drunk when I submitted my vote, this was the text of the PM I sent:
YES
O hat wuck dogs who umopm pver borwn foxes
It is very possible for you to be Oyashiro without me being a King.
How many times must I repeat this? All we need is me to be drunk when I voted (which I was), and for one of the 3 other Kings to have realized this government wonāt be going through and deciding to vote No.
Itās absolutely possible.
Rather this is what I have to voice out, tho itād be probably better by now to come from someone elseās voice.
I am certain that thesorceress, pictoshark, blackrune and myself are progressives, and that akafa is an OTK.
In the remaining five people, two of you are progressives. Iāve actually said this before, exactly like this, as simple maths. What just happens convince me this is even more trust.
For the two of you, whoever you are : you have to understand now that you are in a position to determine most things.
Either you doubt the people who voted yes here, or perhaps even the people I listed as trustworthy, or you doubt people among the group of people I havenāt mentioned.
Leaving aside your own selves, who you are progressive, among Restkastel, StarTurner, PocketyHat, Wonderlander and Rabla, you have only one other ally. If you are going to bet on them, choose carefully.
Trust this, or distrust this. Your choice. The victory or faillure of progressives is now in your hands.
Also I kinda want to congradulate akafa as a player, even if Iām certain he is an OTK, for voting yes here + investigating pictoshark has seemingly successfully cast a shadow on as many as 3 progressives (me, thesorceress and pictoshark). Iāll remember how cunning you are. If your side wins, credit definitively goes to you.
Okay scrap this, perhaps pictoshark is also an OTK, confusing things in the predictions I made, but Iām still essentially certain of it.
Well given that I know that Iām progressive and that Iām pretty sure that one of you is also progressive, that means that at least two OTKs voted this down.
Which makes thisā¦weird for me. That one of them would vote yes to this. Because it seems likely that one of the OTKs DID vote yes to this. Which doesnāt really make sense unless either @Blackrune or @UsagiTenpura is a OTK or Blackrune is Oyashiroā¦or one of the OTKs just sort of gave up at that point there.
Honestly I think the latter is more likely. That akafa123 gave up or pictoshark being drunk effected his voting.
I do think this means that UsagiTenpura is not Oyashiro though. She wouldnāt have made that thing about only voting if you trust both parts of the government and all of the OTKs would have voted yes in that case.
Anyway this was depressing.
Actually Iām realizing that pictosharkās admission of a drunk vote would make sense if Iāve been wrong all along, that akafa is a progressive and pictoshark an OTK who voted drunk for a progressive governmentā¦ Something else to consider.
Seriously though whyād you guys vote no? For Iām right, other than @Blackrune, three progressives voted no to this.
That seems to assume that both pictoshark and akafa are OTK? Thatās possible I guess, tho unlikely? Maybe, I guess Iām very confused by now.
If wonderlander is a progressive he probably distrusts blackrune
If restkastel is a progressive heās not happy I cast doubt on him.
Dunno about othersā¦ if there are others even.
I still think itās possible one of you or Blackrune is a King, though I am certain at this point that you are not Oyashiro. I guess I think itās a less likely than the alternative though, and itās likely only two of the people who voted no, other than Blackrune, were progressives.
This is so confusing. I confused myself.
It also somewhat unlikely that Oyashiro would have voted yes to this government unless they were part of it or knew for a fact that one of the people in it was their ally. Could be something worthwhile to keep in mind, though again, I guess them playing risky mindgames (or being drunk) is possible.
Indeed, both Picto and I hadā¦quite a lot last night. Unlike him though, I had voted beforehand and intentionally not touched the thread because I wasnāt sure how good of a Secret Oyashiro player I am when I am drunk, and I didnāt want to accidentally say something that could make things worse for us progressives in this rather tense time.
Incidentally, I found out during that rather fun night that I am not too bad at drunk Secret Hitler at least on voice in Tabletop Sim. Not sure about forums considering its more long term though.
Whose team won again even though one of our people left halfway through?
By pure chance.
Man your memory is shit. Seraphitic left the game before the one where you guys won.
Man I had a lot of alcohol. I told you I had two full highballs and a shot of whiskey.
I guess Iāll give a list of statements I am making reasoning on.
Likely means likely not certain especially dealing with the idea that Oyashiro may not know who their allies are. If anyone wants me to explain any of these statements, I will do so. They are all based on observations of doubts and trusts which I could probably find links for if anyone asks me about them. This again are not certainties because OTK can casts doubts on their allies just to create mindgame - in fact this is definitively something to keep in mind. These āblueā statement are only valid as long as this holds up true.
The yellow statements here comes from what logically follows from the two investigations that occurred.
The purpleish text is because pictoshark requires his own color because no statement about him is actually really likely in any form or shape.
Wonderlander and Restkastel are likely not both OTKs. Itās possible neither are.
Wonderlander and Blackrune are likely not both OTKs. Itās possible neither are.
If Restkastel is a progressive, Starturner is likely a progressive.
If Starturner is a OTK, Restkastel is likely an OTK.
If Restkastel is a OTK, itās possible Starturner is a progressive.
If Pictoshark is a radical, wonderlander is most likely a progressive. Then again. This is pictoshark, so this is less certain.
One between pictoshark and akafa is a radical. Itās possible both are.
If Blackrune is a radical, so is Restkastel.
If Restkastel is a progressive, so is Blackrune.
If Restkastel is a radical, itās possible Blackrune is a progressive.
If you want me to add things about myself I could say this, trying to view things from an external pov :
Itās very unlikely that Restkastel and I are both OTK. Itās possible neither of us are.
If thesorceress is an OTK, itās likely that I am one myself.
If I am a progressive, itās likely that thesorceress is a progressive.
Itās possible thesorceress is a progressive and I am an OTK.
Thereās probably a few more statements worth adding there so others may want to contribute to this.
Again keep in mind that Oyashiro has no idea who their allies are, which makes some of these statements even less certain than some others. But if reasoning is done from anything beside guts feeling, this is probably it.
With this, Iām not sure I can really contribute anything else.
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Okay, time for my nominationā¦ Hmmmā¦ I actually have no idea. I canāt nominate @thesorceress or @Blackruneā¦ I am thinking of nominating @UsagiTenpura because it is basically proven they arenāt an OTK. I could also go with @Restkastel because
A) I wanna make him trust me on the off chance he also is a progressive.
B) Unless I get 3 OTK policies, I know for sure if I can trust him or not.
I suppose the 3rd option could be going with someone who was basically silent till now, like @StarTurner/@PocketyHat/@Rabla but that could be a good Oyashiro tactic.
What do you guys think? Personally I would go with Usagi again.
Wow, local King doesnāt keep up with the thread.