I thought special government ignored this?
Only for the president.
Damn, I seeā¦ that does make it tough.
Yes sadlyā¦ hehā¦ thatās also what I thought and wanted, StarTurner, btw. (thesorceress or blackrune as chancellor).
In fact I can say right away that unless something really weird goes on, if my turn comes again as presidential candidate, Iām going to be choosing one of these two.
I think that either of those two is likely a safe choice, if your reasoning turns out true.
Iām not sure if any of our opinions really matter at this point though. Itās pretty much entirely in @Blackruneās hands until they pick their chancellor. We just have to decide whether we think whoever that person is is a progressive or Oyashiro. Either could end the game and which is why itās kinda important for Blackrune to pick someone for a good reason. I donāt think theyāre a radical but if they are it would be really easy for them to win.
But until Blackrune makes a decision itās pretty difficult to come to any conclusions.
Will add one final thing.
In case Blackrune is doubting me and restkastel, or just looking for a third option there, I would think the best choices would be starturner or wonderlander. The simplest of reason being that Blackrune worked with both and both resulted in a progressive policy passing.
Wonderlander has the advantage that weād get info on the next government and if he actually betrays you, you could assassinate him, allowing to skip his government entirely. Itād still be bad. Iād be kinda betting at this point that either him or restkastel are OTK considering their argument, so itād be a bet, but one that could have something coming out of it, at least. Tho if wonderlander is an OTK, I donāt think theyāre oyashiro because they tried to persuade you not to chose him and afterward they canāt pick their own self either.
Starturner has the advantage however from my pov, ironically due to the exchange we just had. I just end up finding it unlikely that heās an OTK. He had low odds of obtaining 2 progressive policies when he was president so he couldāve most likely forced you to pass one if he was an OTK. Itās not impossible, and maybe it was a plan to gain your trust, but things wouldāve turned to the advantage of the OTK at that point (3 OTK policies vs 2 progressive ones) and he wouldāve named also a special candidacy president, which couldāve really played to his advantage in various scenarios.
Itās unlikely that both are OTK and itās impossible that both are oyashiro obviously. So you could go over which of the two governments you worked with are the most trustable in your opinion.
Well with that Iām done, things are now entirely in your hands.
Well, after thinking it over againā¦ there are enough people against Usagi that Iām leaning towards trusting them after all. pictor tried to convince me of that akafa thing, StarTurner is for Rest. Now, StarTurner may have oassed a progressive policy together with me, but at that point there might still have been two left in the deck, meaning he could have just been an OTK getting unlucky. Rest also wants me to pick himself. Iāve considered this a decent option before but funnily enough nayone suggesting it just makes me suspicous seeing how me picking the person that investigated me should be extremely sketchy to others.
Soā¦ let the trainwreck take its turn. If it turns out to be the wrong choice, well played. I guess thereās the option to just downvote me if you disagree, in that case Iād suggest we nuke it all the way to usagi and just take the hit.
I nominate @UsagiTenpura
Let there be screams.
Voting Phase
@UsagiTenpura @Blackrune @akafa123 @PictoShark @Restkastel @StarTurner @PocketyHat @thesorceress @Wonderlander @Rabla
Since our presidential candidate has chosen a chancellor, itās time for everyone to vote.
President: Blackrune
Chancellor: UsagiTenpura
Do you trust these two to represent you and the entire village of Hinamizawa and enact a policy on your behalf? You have 23 more hours to get your votes in.
Well, as a response to my nominating myself being suspicious, I was mostly doing so and calling everyone else to so that we would have everyoneās reasons on why or why not they think they should be chancellor. As I said, I didnāt really expect to be picked per se considering people would probably find it suspicious, I was mostly trying to get everyone to do it so we could get more information.
Furthermore, as you said, theres things you can say about everyone and in this time of paranoia I didnāt know who else I could be certain of besides myself and you, but I can understand a bit of suspicion. Anyway, thats what I have to say on the subject. Im just surprised we still had plenty of silent people on the subject, I would have suspected everyone would try to get on this to see if they wouldnāt try to help us in this hour of paranoia.
Im also surprised that we didnāt have three or four people agreeing on putting forward a person as far as we could tell. That also was trying to bait out the Kings, who have either been bad or silent, the entire game to see if they wouldnāt try to put forward Oyashiro so that we could have more information on them. It turns out my bait didnāt work unfortunately.
As for why I took until now to say this, well between classes, working on some photoshops for @pictoshark and working on an Exalted campaign involving a few of the people here on Rokkenjima that I am DMing I have been a tad bit busy, which is likely how Picto managed to pass me up on number of posts in the thread.
Thats really all I have to say for now besides saying I am voting no for the same reasons that Usagi would have likely voted no for me.
@Blackrune
Well wow.
I did not expect that.
I have no idea what to think by now.
The only thing I can say is that it still wouldāve been better to settle on a third route, under the hope that Restkastel and myself couldāve agreed on it and settle differences on it. If this government fails, this is probably what weāll have to go back to anyway, but we may very well end up in a loop of downvoting governments which has chances of passing OTK policiesā¦
In any case, if things fails and government ends up coming back to me, I will chose either you or thesorceress as chancellor. This doesnāt change, at least for now.
In the end it feels like this game of suspicions couldāve cost us. But I guess this is part of the game.
All I can say is voice again that choosing Restkastel wouldāve made both of you suspicious as a result and that this is why I bought the issue. In the case where both of you are progressives, tying down the both of you in doubt is not ideal.
Iāll have to post more in a bit, but this will be concerning a different matter entirely.
Also just pointing out that ā¦
ā¦ ironically seems to have produced the opposite effect. Dead cold silence.
Oh wellā¦
@Blackrune @akafa123 @PictoShark @Restkastel @StarTurner @PocketyHat @thesorceress @Wonderlander @Rabla
Itās time to pass a vote that may determine the outcome of the game.
-If you believe I am Oyashiro, remember that the game could end right now.
-If you have misgiving concerning Blackrune or my own allegiance, remember that discarding of a single progressive policy could also end up in a longer term to cost the game.
-The OTKs knows who their allies are (at least outside of Oyashiro) - meanwhile we are left to take a bet. Think carefully, wether you upvote or downvote this government, where you are going to in return place your bet. It will come down to this in the end.
Finally remember that if the government gets elected and the game does not end, thereās the possibility of a conflict arising. If this was to happen do not ever play into a conflict. If Blackrune is an OTK who is unable to chose an OTK chancellor without coming across as overly suspicious, this is his chance to pass an OTK policy while discrediting a progressive and then ending up with murder priviledge. If you think Iām an OTK, but not Oyashiro, remember that a non-Oyashiro OTK chancellor would have no choice but to pick up an OTK policy and discard a progressive one at this stage because the alternative means the OTKās defeat.
In other words, upvote us only if you actually trust the BOTH of us or if considering the alternatives of the following governments, this is your best bet. This reasoning is also valid for YOU BLACKRUNE even if you picked me up.
If anything the way people willl vote may allow us to gain additional, crucial information even if this government is downvoted.
I have to make my own bet here, which, just like for Blackrune, comes down to a single person. 95% sure of voting yes, but just want to think out the points I bought up myself in this very post before going through with it to not feel like Iāve done a reckless move.
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I already said that I think youāre both progressive. That hasnāt changed. Thereās always a small amount of risk in this game, because you have to make someone assumptions and put some amount of faith that your instincts and the evidence presented in front of you are correct, but from what I have seen I think you two are safe. I might be wrong but I donāt think I am.
And now we wait for kari to awaken
The vote has concluded! Here are the results.
- @UsagiTenpura voted YES
- @Blackrune voted NO
- @akafa123 voted YES
- @PictoShark voted YES
- @Restkastel voted NO
- @StarTurner voted NO
- @PocketyHat voted NO
- @thesorceress voted YES
- @Wonderlander voted NO
- @Rabla voted NO
4 YES to 6 NO; the vote fails!
Current game status
One True King policies played: 3
Progressive policies played: 4!
Next presidential privilege unlocked by OTK policy: Onikakushi
Previous government: thesorceress and Blackrune
Remaining policies in stock: 6
If Oyashiro is elected chancellor, the One True Kings win instantly.
Failed votes in a row: 1 / 3
Nomination Phase
@Wonderlander, you are the current presidential candidate, please nominate a chancellor. Do note that thesorceress and Blackrune cannot be nominated as chancellors since they were part of the previous government. Feel free to take your time and discuss the results of the previous government phase with your fellow council members, but once youāve made up your mind regarding a chancellor, please state their name in bold. The voting starts immediately as soon as you make your decision. You have 24 hours to choose someone.
Well thatās not gonna help peopleās perception of meā¦
Maybe voting while critically drunk wasnāt the best move Iāve ever madeā¦
Still from these votes especially akafaās I think we can gleam something about the Chancellorā¦
Okay Iām glad me voting no apparently ended up not mattering anyway, because I really wasnāt sure about whether that was a good idea on my part at all.
My logic was basically that in the case that Usagi WAS Oyashiro after all, the progressives were going to need every no they can get to counter it. Because letās be real hereā¦
If Usagi was Oyashiro any OTK would have most likely voted yes here.
Considering the votes, this means that the scenario where Usagi is Oyashiro would involve the three other people that voted yes. This would involve both people from the conflict and therefore strikes me asā¦ unlikely, so now Iām pretty convinced we might have just passed on a perfectly good government.
Unless they read the mood and predicted the failure of this vote.
Iām not sure how much credit to give them there. Considering theyāre presumably cornered with the progressives being only one policy away from victory, I at the very least donāt think it would have been that easy to pass on the chance.