The Truth Lies in Velvet (EP8 Spoilers) [Solved]

I don’t think that’s how his alibi works. He was clearly already with them when Jessica screamed.

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Umm…guys, the knife was sticking out of Kinzo’s forehead when they found Kinzo.

Correct, hence why he was getting the knife from the storage room, not stashing it. That’s why I’m thinking Kinzo had to have been alive at 9:31.

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Unfortunately, Rune is entirely correct on this point. He’s clearly shown up with the others directly before Jessica screams and is very clearly present in the discovery on the body, giving lines of dialogue. The narration makes very little implication any sort of significant time passed in that time.

There’d be very little point if we could pick some arbitrary time and decide that his alibi just didn’t count during that time, yes?

I would also like to direct your attention to the fact that the part about Rudolf simply preparing tools to be in the ceiling should strike you as strange. He had shown up for the conference for the first time in six years and nobody could’ve really predicted Kinzo’s challenge, so it’s not as if he would’ve been suffciently prepared with any equipment. Besides, I mean, if you can’t reach the window from the outside, logically it doesn’t pan out that there should be a way to reach the top, no?

And doing it from the inside without Kinzo knowing, given that he was in the possession of the only key leading to it, seems odd, as well.

Very well. Let’s try to ask some questions to clear some things up. I have some doubts anyway.

The Mystery Man’s identity and actions
If the man is Rudolf, then his actions in my theory are a bit strange. If Rudolf’s goal is to get back to the tower, and he jumps out of the window on 2F, why wouldn’t he go straight from there? Instead, he elects to re-enter the mansion. This could only mean the mystery man is someone who is expected to be in the mansion. Therefore, [color=blue]the mystery man that Kanon sees is actually Krauss.[/color] It is possible Rudolf still snuck in using that outfit to find the will, and Krauss simply takes it from him. The reason Krauss takes such a roundabout route back into the mansion is that since he was spotted by Kanon, he can’t simply go to the storage room and pop back out again acting like nothing happened. Indeed, there are no windows out of it, so it would be incredibly clear to Kanon what happened there.

This means, Rudolf was already dead when the mystery man was stepping out of Kinzo’s study at ~9:30. Once in the storage room, Krauss stashes the outfit and retrieves the knife. It is possible that when Krauss was seen returning from “the direction of the storage room”, he was actually returning from the servant’s room. The only issue with this logic is that Krauss returned before Gohda. So one open question is, how did Krauss get past Gohda?

To clarify something about my theory, I’m not sure how the “ceiling” removal would work. I imagined it would retract or something, allowing anything stored above it to just fall down. that doesn’t seem to be what DWaM is suggesting anymore though, since he claims you’d have to actually reach the fake ceiling to retrieve anything there. So, how Rudolf escape the tower?

However, it wouldn’t strike me as too strange that Rudolf would have a man on the inside (O?) that could do some preparations on the island for him ahead of time. Wouldn’t count as an accomplice or anything obviously since Rudolf didn’t kill or ever intend to kill.

"At around 9:30, Kanon ran upstairs. Krauss left up around five minutes later.”

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You misunderstand. What I’m saying is you’d have to reach it to plant anything there in preperation for the escape which, given the conditions, doesn’t work out.

Rudolf couldn’t have just asked someone to come to the island beforehand and make any preperations, either because nobody but Kinzo could’ve known the challenge would be announced. If any preperations were done they would’ve had to be done that night after the challenge was announced, and given what you know, that’s not possible.

If you claim that Rudolf just got lucky and Kinzo just happened to have things there, your line of reasoning is weakened because it means Rudolf walked in there with no guarantee of any sort of escape. So what would’ve the plan been in that case? Why not just wait the challenge out like intended?

And Kinzo having shit one could use to escape doesn’t make much sense either, no? Why make sure the challenger has nothing to escape but then have some means of escape? It’s hardly a test of any kind if they know about the ceiling or just stumble up on the secret by accident. It would’ve had no real purpose to be there.

And suggesting “Kinzo put things there but forgot lel” pushes things to a bit of a stretch, I’d say.

This could be resolved by saying again that Krauss has no real alibi in purple for the time before Rudolf’s body was discovered. Maybe he stepped out of the room for a bit to do the mystery man bit, returned, then left again at 9:35 to go “to the storage room”.

I would assume that if Krauss had stepped out for a moment, Natsuhi would have mentioned it. Going by DWaM’s established rules, Natsuhi not mentioning that would make her an accomplice and there are no accomplices.

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You could potentially get away with someone slipping away in a crowd and not having anyone notice (assuming it doesn’t go against any of the purple, of course), but yeah, in this case with just the two of them, it’s… unlikely. Not only in terms of Natsuhi not mentioning it, but Kanon not seeing him leave either, despite him mentioning other people he’d seen leave the parlor (in terms of both actual mentioning and the narration itself showing it).

Theory

Rudolf was cooperating with another person (the mysterious O from the coded letter), but then that person likely changed their mind and killed Rudolf. Either that, or Rudolf himself is the culprit.

I assume the masked man is the mysterious ‘O’.

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It would be pretty weird if Rudolf were the culprit I think, since it would be pretty weird to commit suicide by bashing your own head in with a metal box. That would mean his death was an accident in the study, and there’s not really any evidence that would point towards that theory. I think it’s safe to rule him out. It’s also pretty safe to rule out Kinzo, as Rune outlined above - I thought it over, and even if the door to the tower is unlocked, Kinzo wouldn’t have been able to move Rudolf’s body or get out of the passage/tower area himself and still return to the passage to die.

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I think it would be beneficial if we made a list of people who are 100% not the mystery man:

  • Maria
  • Jessica
  • George
  • Kanon
  • Battler
  • Krauss
  • Natsuhi
  • Genji (provided an alibi for Kumasawa)
  • Kumasawa (provided an alibi for Genji)
  • Gohda (if we’re to assume the mystery man is the culprit)

We are left with:

  • Rosa
  • Eva and Hideyoshi
  • Nanjo

All of whom were in their respective rooms at the time, unless they somehow managed to sneak into Kinzo’s study either by sneaking past Kanon or taking an alternate route.

Feel free to add more or correct me.

Of course, there are also Rudolf and Kinzo, though I kinda doubt it’s them.

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Even if the mystery man isn’t the culprit, Gohda can’t be it because he claimed to be at his post the entire time, and he’s definitely being truthful about that.

I don’t agree that Krauss isn’t the mystery man. If he is, it would mean Natsuhi is the culprit and lying about the times.

Hideyoshi is 100% not the culprit. If he is, we have to assume Eva is being truthful about being by his side all night (said in purple). It’s a contradiction. For him to be the mystery man though, Eva would have to be the culprit and lying about this. Actually this doesn’t even work, because then we’d have to trust Hideyoshi’s testimony. So I don’t think Hideyoshi can be the mystery man either. Just food for thought.

Rosa and Nanjo are wildcards for sure. I don’t think Nanjo can be the culprit, since his method of death would be impossible to pull off as a suicide. It’s possible he choked to death on something I guess though. Nothing to hint at that though so I’ll trust DWaM didn’t pull that one out of nowhere.

Please imagine the following taking place with me holding a pipe and acting like a smug douche:

Gonna post our solution to the tower escape for those not on Discord:
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Since it had been raining all week, 4m of water built up on the top of the tower, which doesn’t have a “true” ceiling. When Rudolf caused the ceiling to move, the water fell down into the tower, giving Rudolf a 4m boost, so he can reach the window fairly easily, if he uses the chair. [/color]

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Based off of an actual theory by @Xak (and yes he was indeed serious about it)

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NO I WASN’T

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Alright, enough memes. I’ll cut this purple web to ribbons.

[color=blue] Rudolf escapes the tower by using the water that accumulated over the week on the indentation on the top of the tower. By making the ceiling “retract”, 4m of water fall on top of him, giving him a boost towards the window. He stands on the floating chair, and climbs up the rest of the way to the window. [/color]

[color=blue]Rudolf’s death was an accident. While searching for the will, he knocks a heavy box off a shelf, hitting himself in the head. He is bleeding badly, and must seek aid. Thus, he dons the hat and coat, and heads upstairs to the medical room.[/color] Why risk leaving the study at all, otherwise?

[color=blue]While upstairs, Rudolf trips over a marble, sending it rolling down the hall, outside bedroom 1. From his fall, Rudolf goes flying out the open window, and hobbles back to the study through an open window, where he dies. [/color]

[color=blue]After George cuts his hand, Battler visits the medical room. There, he sees the marble Rudolf tripped over, and kicks it across the room. It falls into the vent, which is over Nanjo’s room. The marble falls into Nanjo’s open mouth and he chokes to death in his locked room.
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Surely you’re asking yourself, “Wait, Battler is the culprit? But he has a perfect alibi! The purple says the cousins never split up during the only window when Kinzo could have been killed!” True enough, the cousins never split up. However, [color=blue]Rudolf is an adopted son of the Ushiromiya family! He left the family register, and was never actually added back into it upon his return! Thus, Battler is not the cousin of Ushiromiya George, Ushiromiya Maria, and Ushiromiya Jessica! [/color]

Without his status as one of the “cousins”, Battler can slip through the purple web, and can sneak away from the group and kill Kinzo after Rudolf’s body was discovered.

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Ding-dong, the witch is dead.

Full Solution

solution

The culprit is Battler.

Before Crime
Battler and Rudolf arrive at the mansion. Rudolf has a plan – to find Kinzo’s will (which he believes is on the island) and replace it with a forgery in which Kinzo’s fortune falls to him. Due to Kinzo’s failling mental condition and memory, all Rudolf would’ve really had to do was go and bribe the two witnesses, securing them a piece of the fortune.

Before they arrive for the conference, Rudolf gets in touch with Okonogi to look into the mansion’s architecture for potential hiding places. Okonogi doesn’t find much besides the secret of Kinzo’s tower – that there’s a mechanism activated by pressing a specific stone (34th stone from the right and 3rd one from bottom) that causes the tower’s secret to be revealed:

It’s 13 meters high, not 9. The ceiling is merely placed on 9 meters.

Rudolf doesn’t think much of it, but keeps it in mind if he needed it in the future.

  • Note: You could’ve also assumed Rudolf merely wanted to find and look at the will, then do whatever with it. Rudolf would’ve found out the names of the witnesses from the original will (which, I believe are always noted somewhere). But since that’s an assumption you would’ve had to have made, it’s much easier to just assume he wanted to get the original for whatever reason. It’s not a big deal in the long run and I would’ve accepted any explanation. Motive wasn’t the most important part here, anyway.

And indeed, he ends up needing it. For at dinner, Kinzo announces his bizarre challenge.

Rudolf realizes that, having read the weather report, that the upper part of the tower (the one above 9 meters) would’ve been filled to the brim with water. If Rudolf triggered the ceiling’s mechanism, the water would’ve come falling into the tower. Rudolf would’ve then used the chair to reach the window (either by climbing on top of it as it floated on water, or turning it upside down and placing the seat on the lower flat part of the window).

In preparation for this, he prepares a spare set of clothes. He doesn’t need anything else but that.

The ultimate goal is simple – due to the fact that Kinzo would’ve been in the passageway guarding the tower, there would be nobody in his study for a change, allowing Rudolf to find the will.

After making the switch and bringing the witnesses, it didn’t matter what happened next.

Kinzo would’ve died eventually – if the water in the tower had drained by the time the two days were up (through the toilet), Rudolf probably figured he could sneak back into the tower (despite it being denied in purple, that’s merely what he believed what he could do), and get Kinzo to keep his end of the bargain.

Alternatively, Kinzo could’ve opened the door earlier and being the weak old man that he was, and being that he was stuck in that passage, probably drown in the water.

Or simply let things be, get chewed out by Kinzo for escaping the tower, but with the old man was going to die soon anyway. Kinzo wouldn’t have bothered checking the will to disinherit Rudolf because… well, Rudolf was never in the original will (as you will discover shortly).

Rudolf’s Escape
The escape goes off without a hitch. He reaches the window. He then jumps to the roof, lowers himself down to the passageway and hops down from the passageway. His bruises are not the result of this. He takes no damage during this.

He then sneaks into Kinzo’s study through the window he’d secretly left open during his meeting with Kinzo in the study at the beginning. He then changes his clothes to a dry set (remember, he’d prepared it before entering in his backpack).

He ransacks the office and finds the will. Overjoyed, he makes the switch.

Something unexpected happens, though. As he’s putting things in the office back in their place, the metal box falls on his head.

Rudolf’s Death
Rudolf, not knowing how bad the injury is, but sure as hell feeling it, realizes he has to get to the medical office. He can’t exactly scale the mansion, so he has to get there by foot. It feels like he’d taken a bad hit, though.

So, he realizes he has no choice.

He dons Kinzo’s trenchcoat and hat and makes his way upstairs. He’s dazed so he doesn’t immediately notice Kanon cleaning. Kanon calls out to him and Rudolf begins to run. He reaches the top of the stairs and continues to run.

While Kanon falls and loses consciousness, Rudolf doesn’t know that. He doesn’t stop to look behind him. He keeps running. Going to the medical office or the cousins room is a dead end. Window’s closed too. Going straight is a no-go, either. He can only turn the other corner, towards either Jessica’s room, Krauss’ room and the open window. We know he never went into the first two options.

So the window it is.

The problem here arises when it comes to Rudolf’s injuries. Had he simply jumped out of the window, he would’ve simply fallen normally without much damages – it was only one floor above.

So, what happened?

He must’ve slipped and fallen.

On what?

On the marble Battler ended up dropping earlier when he fell while getting the games.

Note: In spite of this, I would’ve accepted him simply jumping out and you saying he got his injuries from there. In that case, though, the marble would’ve had to have been dropped somewhere in front of Bedroom 1.

As he falls on the marble, his body is launched forwards towards the window, with his foot pushing the marble backwards. Rudolf falls out and receives his injuries. The marble rolls across the hall, in front of Bedroom 1.

Rudolf crawls back into Kinzo’s study and throws the coat out of the window, explaining why there was no rain on him. Without being able to leave or go anywhere, with his injury to the head and without the strength to go anywhere else, he dies.

Note: There are some variations I would’ve accepted and I’ll get to those later.

Battler didn’t kill Rudolf, Rudolf’s death was an accident.

Nanjo’s death
Battler did kill Nanjo, albeit without intent.

As he walked outside of Bedroom 1 to patch George up, he saw the marble that had found its way in front of the door. Annoyed over the previous argument with the cousins, he kicked it. Jessica never saw it because she was focused on Battler getting the med kit and George’s screams covered up any sound the marble might’ve made while rolling.

The marble went into the vent, down below into Nanjo’s room, into Nanjo’s mouth, suffocating him in his sleep.

Battler would later be mystified as to how Nanjo died himself.

Clean-up
As they searched for the mystery man, Battler looked out the window and saw his father, crawling to the window, and lied over there not being any traces of him being there.

Everyone goes downstairs to the study, and Rudolf is found. Battler is the first to step into the room (and there is proof of this later). This is where possible variations are possible depending on what you decided Rudolf did before entering the window.

  1. If Rudolf crawled in, and dropped his coat inside of the room and didn’t close the window, at this point Battler takes care of both.
  2. If Rudolf didn’t close the window, Battler simply closes it.

If Rudolf had taken off the coat himself after entering the room and thrown it out, there’s no contradiction in the explanation as to why he didn’t get wet.

If Rudolf had taken off the coat directly before reentry, Battler’s purple about Rudolf’s clothes being completely wet can be a lie.

Alternatively, the lack of rain can be explained by a mixture of Battler’s purple about the clothes being a lie, and a possibility that the rain had only begun to fall heavily after Rudolf got into the study. (Natsuhi’s purple, after all, was referring to the current downpour and based on her observation after looking out of the window at the time.)

This section wasn’t terribly important, just wanted to cover some oddities.

Kinzo’s Death
The only person Battler intentionally killed was Kinzo.

How?

It’s simple. He wasn’t part of the group known as ‘cousins’.

And I mean that legally, biologically, and in terms of narrative.

Biologically he was not a cousin because Rudolf was adopted. There were hints about this through the fact that Rudolf’s childhood bedroom simply does not appear to exist. Jessica’s room was actually Bedroom 2 (after all, if there is bedroom 1 there must’ve been a bedroom 2) and there are no other rooms that could’ve been bedroom 2 (Nanjo’s room was always there, the medical office was Kinzo’s bedroom). An additional clue is Kinzo’s strange narration on the opening:

“I always knew he would be the end of me.” Kinzo thought, feeling somewhat pleased with himself. “It would appear that, in spite of everything, the defining characteristic of what it means to be an Ushiromiya was instilled into this man’s heart. He is truly my son. Perhaps ironic that, out of all of them, it would’ve been him to take this gamble. Then again, Eva and Krauss are too prideful for something like this, and Rosa is too weak to even think of it.”

Thus, Battler is not biologically related to the cousins (this is not necessary to have been picked up on, though).

Legally he is not a cousin because Rudolf leaves the family register. He never reenters it – Kinzo had only welcomed them to the conference with open arms, but not into the family. (You will find this detail interesting, because it means had the original will gone through, Rudolf would’ve ended up with jack shit.)

Narratively he is not the cousin. At no point does the narrative refer to him as one. In fact, it makes a clear distinction at times:

Aside from that, nothing was particularly different. Rosa, Eva and Krauss were sleeping in their own respective rooms, and the cousins had all decided to go into, as Kinzo had dubbed it, Bedroom 1, a spare bedroom that had later been repurposed to serve multiple guests.
Rudolf would be sleeping over in Jessica’s room. Battler had also elected to share the room with his father. Rudolf could tell, however, that the boy would inevitably spend the night in Bedroom 1 with the others.

Battler walked over to the cousins

Of course, there were parts meant to distract you, such as:

The cousins quickly patched George up.

Rosa and the cousins stood at the door.

That last one in particular is important because once you know Battler is not a cousin, you know he wasn’t at the door. Directly at that scene though, he does speak as if he’s present with everyone else, meaning he could’ve only been inside of the study (where he could’ve done the clean-up).

(And, uh, just to note, this purple:

MARIA / “Uu… Maria moved a bit slower, so nobody rushed ahead or anything.”

Was referring to people going downstairs, not regarding anyone going into the study first – although I think most of you assumed as much anyway).

With this, Kinzo’s death becomes simple. Battler isn’t included in these purples:

JESSICA / “I can confirm that much. Aunt Rosa and all of the cousins have been together since we came down to the ground floor.”

GEORGE / “Seconded. Aunt Rosa and the cousins never split up after Rudolf’s body was discovered.”

And simply walked off while everyone was distracted with the body, went to the servants’ room, killed Kinzo, took the key, and left.

Now, as for his motive for doing this.

Battler was in on Rudolf’s plan from the start. If you re-read this section:

BATTLER / “I really don’t want to have this conversation right now. You’ve had all year to remind me that we’re doing badly.”
RUDOLF / “We need the money.”
BATTLER / “I just said – you don’t have to remind me. And yeah, I know. But not like this. Say that you do it. What if once he offs himself, we find out that he had a will locked away in some bank that says he’s giving everything away to charity?”
RUDOLF / “He’s too prideful for that. He has the same detest for the outside world as he does for each and every person in this house. Trust me. It won’t be that.”

You’ll realize Battler was expressing concerns over the will not being in Kinzo’s mansion in the first place and that Rudolf’s entire gambit is a waste of time.

After finding his dad’s body, he realized he was more or less fucked.

  1. He didn’t know if Rudolf had successfully switched the will or not (because all he knows at that point is that there’s something on Rudolf’s person, but not which will it is – the real or the fake), or if he’d even found it. (And even if he had, Battler wouldn’t have known who the witnesses were, so bribing them himself wasn’t really an option. OR, if Rudolf really had switched the will, Battler had a shot of bribing the witnesses… but only after killing Kinzo and then finding out who they were.)
  2. If Kinzo was left alive, he would’ve undeniably realized Rudolf’s plot and thus probably ensured Battler would never see a dime. With Kinzo’s death, however, he would be able to have an excuse to maintain a relationship with the Ushiromiya family through cousins if nothing else, and ensure some fortune sees his way down the line.
  3. If Kinzo is left alive, people will enter the tower and realize Rudolf’s trick and his original intentions. Same scenario as before.
  • Note: Explanation 1 wouldn’t apply if you went down the route of Rudolf simply wanting to steal the original, obviously, but it’s not a terribly big deal in the long run – Rudolf stealing the will in the first place would’ve been treasonous enough to the family in Kinzo’s eyes. Or so Battler would’ve believed.

And let me tell you, your boy Battler really needed that money.

So he killed Kinzo, took the key to the tower, ensuring nobody enters and discovers Rudolf’s trick (as mentioned earlier, the water would’ve probably drained through the toilet later).

Later, after Nanjo was found dead, he decided to tie everything up by accusing Gohda – the perfect victim of chance.

I’d originally considered making Genji the guard, but with him being the first witnesses to the will and Nanjo being the obvious choice to the second one, it would’ve hinted at premeditation far too much if it started to seem Genji was being intentionally framed. By having it be Gohda and Genji just kinda left… floating, it would’ve created a question of the culprit’s motivations and thus lead to the possibility of the culprit not being intentional in their murders.

Aaand that’s all! Thanks for playing!

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