Hey guys, sorry I’m late! Just finished reading Tatarigoroshi for the Tea Party last night, and boy do I love this chapter! It’s a hell of a ride, expanding on some of the themes of Onikakushi but also doing it’s own thing. Anyway, let me start by responding to people.
As far as I’m aware, the Onikakushis don’t always follow immediately after the initial killings. There’s sometimes delay between them.
Are we sure that she wasn’t burned in Onikakushi? Maybe it just wasn’t shown?
Well they didn’t ‘bury a drainage pipe’, the drainage pipe just happened to be under where Keiichi dug. This is definitely the biggest mystery of the chapter to me, but I can’t help but think along those lines as well. The question that remains is, who, and why? The only answer I can think of is Takano, but I have no idea why she would make that effort.
What’s really interesting to me is that we never see Teppei after he’s ‘killed’. The writing and Satako’s testimony certainly leads us to believe he’s still around, but then there was also the point that Ooishi couldn’t track down his whereabouts during one of the TIPS where Tomitake and Takano’s bodies were found. Is there any possibility that Keiichi really did kill him? The credits even tell us that Teppei and Satako were missing after the disaster, so they really did keep it ambiguous enough to keep guessing.
I love how this chapter plays with the concept of Keiichi losing his mind, but also throwing in just enough evidence that he’s completely sane that you really need to think hard about what’s going on here. Keiichi couldn’t comprehend it, so he reached the conclusion that “It’s Watanagashi that’s crazy, not me”. What do you think?
But hold on. In Watanagashi, we are presented with a scenario where a bunch of people are killed, Keiichi leaves Hinamizawa and is hospitalised for a while, and as far as we are aware no disaster occurred. I can’t say the same for Onikakushi, but isn’t that weird?
This All-Cast review session introduced the idea that all the Chapters are like different ‘routes’ of a visual novel, where somebody made a different choice which lead to a different outcome. But what kind of choice could cause or prevent an outbreak of volcanic gasses?
Interesting observation! It turns out that the term ‘manager’ used in Onikakushi is identical to the term used here for ‘coach’: 監督 or kantoku means both these things. And yes, that’s what they’re saying in both cases.
Now for some observations of my own, and a few questions of interest.
In this Chapter it was strongly suggested that Satoshi and Shion were in a relationship. Interesting that this was only brought up now.
Shion committed suicide. Again? What the heck, why?
Why was Rika killed? This is another one of those weird mysteries with no immediate answer in sight. Immediately after we got the interesting tidbit that Rika might be an incarnation of Oyashiro, and that killing her might purge the town into darkness. And, hey, it really happened…
What this chapter, and Higurashi at large does well is presenting you with multiple interpretations of various mysteries. It plays with your head by presenting things as meaningful patterns, which leads you to draw conclusions on causality. Keiichi wished these people would die, so they died. But we know that Takano dies in every chapter, so as a reader we already have a counter-example to Keiichi’s theory. But then, Irie did apparently commit suicide, and Ooishi apparently disappared, but did he? When I read that chapter I read “still looking for Ooishi’s car” as looking for the car he reported, however… The credit role says he really did disappear? Odd. Again, this is something which didn’t happen in Watanagashi. And then, there’s also the way you can connect Rika’s death to the natural disaster, but I dunno, that’s a very supernatural explanation itself, we’re just trading one for another.
Watanagashi did a very similar thing with the storehouse. The idea was that people were being killed because they went into the storehouse, but then the story goes out of it’s way to provide alternative explanations. Keiichi may end up fixated on one or two ideas, but we as the reader have an advantage because we have access to more information than him (and we’re not living in constant paranoia that we and everyone we love is gonna die).
There’s also those footsteps coming back. First Keiichi feeling like there’s someone following him, then Shion complaining about footsteps in the storehouse, now back to Keiichi hearing footsteps everywhere… Popular theory seems to suggest it’s the ghost of Satoshi right now. ~Spooky~
Rena’s speech about how we should treasure every small happiness so when everyone dies in a horrible disaster, we can say we lived without regret. How very poignant.
I’ll come back to this if there’s anything else I remember to bring up, but god I love this chapter, fuck the haters. The later scenes of the ‘twisted world’ don’t make the drama of Satoko any less meaningful. If anything, seeing Keiichi driven to that point is tragic in it’s own way, assuming he’s the trigger for everything that came after.
EDIT: Oh yeah. Interesting how the All-Star Cast Review seemed to strongly suggest that this was intended as the final Question arc, until the last line (which I’ll assume was added either in Hou or by Mangagamer themselves). Can anyone shed light on this? Was Himatsubushi a last-minute decision?
I mean, it’s not totally inaccurate either, since Himatsubushi is more of a side story than a legitimate story arc. I definitely feel like Tatarigoroshi, while full of mysteries itself, also provides the final pieces of the puzzle for the reader to start piecing together a grand narrative connecting all the story arcs. I hope we can get a lot more discussion happening.