[color=blue]The culprit hid in the toilet tank, evading Kanon’s search. [/color]
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[color=red]Knox’s 8th.[/color] I mean… on pretty much all of it. How does one hide in a toilet tank? Since when do they make toilet tanks big enough for people to fit into them? Is there any proof such a toilet tank was used here?
[color=blue]The culprit was smuggled into the bathroom under Natsuhi’s dress. The culprit was someone Natsuhi trusted, so she agreed to this.[/color] (???)
Rosa’s room
[color=blue] The key couldn’t quite fit under the door, but the culprit stuck it under there, leaving it a bit out of view. The key entered the room when the door was knocked down. [/color]
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[color=red]Knox’s 8th.[/color] Natsuhi was found in her pyjamas (or her nightgown I can’t remember, it’s not really important), it’s never stated if she changed at any point and a good description of her clothing is never given in general.
Also…
Why??
You can interpret the red to mean that the key couldn’t have been so much as wedged in any gap, either. (Besides, I don’t think it would work in this case, anyway. The key would had to have been found directly near the door, at best. And given that it was never specified it was, knox’s 8th etc etc)
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Rosa’s room overly-complex string theory #2.
There were three sets of strings this time, but let’s analyze things bit by bit. [Color=blue] The culprit falsely proposed to Rosa and gave her the rose. Rosa then went to sleep, the rose contained a narcotic which made her sleep faster and for a longer period of time. The narcotic effect expired (or the group didn’t notice). The culprit prepared three sets of strings beforehand, which I’ll call strings 1, 2 and 3 so it is easier to understand. Set 1 was attached to the blades, hidden in the bathroom (four different sets can work too). Set 2 was attached to the headless bodies, hidden in the bathroom (three different sets can work too). Set 3 was attached to Rosa when the culprit gave her to rose. So, Rosa entered the room, locked the door and went to sleep. The chairs were there, but the culprit is a person Rosa trusted (he confessed to her), and told her to not pay attention to the chairs. The culprit then pulled set 1 and set 2, so the headless bodies and the blades went into position. The culprit then pulled set 3 and Rosa went onto the blades, slowly dying. All of these sets of strings were then pulled by the culprit and weren’t in the room anymore. All of those sets of strings passed through a gap in the door (the only possible gap I find, if one was attached to Rosa).[/color]
There are a lot of variatons to this.
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The rose didn’t contain a narcotic, that is simply to make Rosa’s long sleep more credible. In Kanon’s theory Rosa’s body was lifted by the culprit and she still sleeped, so it shouldn’t be a problem.
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Set 2 was attached to the chairs and not to the bodies, simplifying the part where the culprit told her not to pay attention to the chairs.
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There was a 4th set attached to the chairs, which were hidden in the bathroom.
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The culprit is a servant and told Rosa the chairs were put there temporarily, that’s why she was not suspecting a thing.
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The culprit put the chairs in her room with the excuse of them being a gift.
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The bodies and/or the blades were in a different position.
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The blades were on the ceiling and Rosa didn’t notice, the culprit made them fall with a single pull.
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Instead of attaching the strings to one end the culprit attached the strings to precise points, like for example attaching set 2 to the chairs too so it was easier to make the bodies fall into position, a more decisive pull would deteach the strings from all these points.
All of these should be possible, but this is the one I find most plausible out of them.
The bathroom wasn’t mentioned this time around, but the bodies and the blades weren’t there anymore, so no problem with that. The blades and the bodies could have been in a different place, anyway.
It’s time.
[color=red]No string was ever attached to Rosa, the rose in her hand, the desk she was found on, the chairs the headless bodies sat on, or the headless bodies themselves. No string passed through the door or any of the windows to Rosa’s room, whether they were open or closed.[/color] I don’t want to deal with any workarounds this time. [color=red]This applies to any string-like objects, as well.[/color]
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[color=blue]Because the curtains weren’t drawn, Kanon missed one of the windows in Rosa’s room which was still open. [/color]
Finally. I don’t even like strings that much, strange as it may sound.
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[color=red]Kanon did not miss any of the windows during his examination.[/color]
[color=blue]One of the windows to Rosa’s room was left open. After the group checked that the room was empty but before they checked the windows, the culprit snuck in (with the curtain as cover), closed the window, and hid. This works best with the window in the bathroom, which could be closed from the outside (but not locked). [/color]
I’m afraid, in this instance, Camus might’ve not been entirely right. By embracing the absurd and going back to push the rock back again, man does not truly achieve much.
[color=red]Directly before the door to Rosa’s room was broken down, all of the windows in Rosa’s room were closed, with the one in Rosa’s bathroom being both closed and locked.[/color]
[color=blue] The culprit snuck into the bathroom as Kanon was telling Natsuhi that it was safe to enter. Natsuhi saw this but said nothing because she trusted the culprit 100%. [/color]
Nothing in the scene suggests there was a moment where such an entrance was possible, or that Kanon would’ve been focused on Natsuhi that much so that he wouldn’t see someone just casually strolling in, or that Natsuhi herself noticed and did nothing about someone entering the bathroom.
I can’t even think of a justifiable reason to simply not say anything, anyway. It’s a forced scenario and at this point I just can’t keep accepting them.
[color=blue]The killer entered the bathroom by either the ceiling or the floorboards as that would allow the killer to evade Kanon’s first bathroom search before Natsuhi entered the bathroom.[/color]
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Probably won’t fly due to Knox being enforced. (also gaps a knife could fit through are ruled out already, would presumably go for bodies as well.)
I think this can probably only made sense of if we find some kind of possibility that comes from clues other than the reds. (granted I say that yet the Kinzo one passed without even making use of that one offhand comment about Kinzo having a scar that totally must be important in some way.)
Well… [Color=blue] The culprit created a mechanism in the sink which made a knife come out whenever the sink was turned on. When Natsuhi tried to wash her face she unintentionally grabbed the knife and killed herself. She didn’t notice the knife due to her terrible headache. [/color] The mechanism isn’t what killed her, so it should be allowed. This is the way the culprit wanted Natsuhi to die, so it’s still murder.
Hope Natsuhi’s headache was intense to the point something like this could have occured… (probably not).
The other problem I find, together with the unlikeness, is the position the body was in, but I think it was possible for her body to fall that way.
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I get the feeling that DWaM is really pointing towards a murder where the culprit was standing in the same room as the victim and stabbed her themselves. Otherwise we get into the really murky territory of whether something is considered murder or suicide, and what is considered a trap. I doubt he’d do that to himself, heh.
[Color=blue] The bathroom and another room in the mansion are interchangeable. The culprit could switch them from the outside. After Natsuhi had entered the room, locked the door, flushed the toilet and turned the sink on, the culprit switched the rooms. The door to the other room, now the bathroom, wasn’t locked, so he could enter and kill Natsuhi. The culprit then left the bathroom and switched the rooms back. [/color]
This isn’t a secret passage in its very sense of ‘entrance or exit’, the definition given in the last gameboard.
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Rune himself, unfortunately for you, was entirely correct.
Both in terms of Knox’s 8th but also Knox’s 3rd.
^ This, pretty much. I’ve stated numerous times and I’ll say it again: don’t try getting blood from a stone. Trying to push in theories that you yourself feel are so ridiculous to be true and too specific to give any solid reds at this point aren’t worth your time.
Either way, no, the technicality will not be accepted. I’d still consider it a trap kill.
Knox’s 8th on… pretty much all of that. Like, I’d give a more general elaboration, but… I know for a fact I never hinted at anything like that.
Good shit though, I had a trick like that in another gameboard.
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Bummer, but I refuse to give up!
As Blackrune said, we should be focusing on the other clues instead of trying to fish out via reds.
So let’s focus on them!
I get the feeling that the Letter holder and the 6 books that were shown in Jessica’s chapter is the most important to crack. I’ve been thinking about it and it seems like that the left letter holder is based around the 6 book titles while the right letter holder is based around the 6 book authors
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