Rokkenjima Mafia - Game II [Game Over - Human Side Victory]

Hm… Part of me is suspicious of @Aspirety as well, since, well, he seems the most suspicious one out of the bunch of those who revealed themselves. I’d like more information as well, but I don’t really think I should point fingers yet…
In fact, I feel a lot of people are suspicious right now, @Necem, @RegNewmont, @SuperM and @Karifean are on the list of them.
So I guess I’ll just sit back for now, since I really have nothing new to add aside from what was already said on the suspicions.
And I also want to hear @Pepe’s thought on this as well, since we don’t really have any confirmed witch ability aside from killing, so there is always the chance…
Hey @Rabla, how much time do we have left until nighttime?

lazy

hush you, I completely forgot about the fact that the post had a time set :sulk:

Good show, my friend. This is where we failed the last time, and I don’t want to fail again this time.

Interesting. I can at least confirm that my character fits the description of the two characters visited by the “young man,” so I would say that @Karifean is on the right track. Of course, assuming that pictoshark is telling the truth.

For those who don’t get the picture, yes, I play either a “servant” or a “girl” on this chessboard of ours. I will not confirm nor deny yet what @Wonderlander has claimed, so you can put my role in a schrodinger’s box, if you will :wink: If you believe what they say, that makes me the servant. If you don’t, that makes me the girl.

If that is the case, perhaps we can, for now, assume that your role fits this description:

You being the lady in question, dear alice? :wink:

Let’s assume for argument’s sake, that you are indeed a switcher. What use does a switcher role have, for the humans?
A) Push a death from a more important person to a less important person (or to a suspected witch)
B) Stop an unwanted ability from happening to someone you don’t want it to.

That being said I think, for now, it’s a bit pointless to discuss this role in public. We don’t know yet which characters play important roles, neither do we know which characters are being targeted. @cjlim2007 seemed to be a complete shot in the dark (well, aside from him not being on the witch side)

A pretty bold move to make, especially since the detective is one of the most dangerous pieces to the witch side, and you reveal yourself without bringing along information of a witch role with you. Tehehe~

But if that’s true, we could fit you into

Detectives do like to ask questions, don’t they?

I agree. It makes for quite a few potential targets, after all.

And yet nobody so far has claimed the role of Hideyoshi as of yet. Nor has anybody claimed to be a detective. They might still be keeping silent, but at this point, it isn’t a smart move.

That’s a fine idea. If pictoshark chooses randomly, the killer would also have to choose somebody randomly, should their target be the detective or the protector.

Thanks sherlock, I’ve been trying to do that ever since I started reading the twilight :wink:

So far, assuming everybody here has posted the truth

@Aspirety - vanilla, battler
@Wonderlander - vanilla, jessica (girl)
By extension, @Pepe - Servant, potential tracker (as karifean suggested)
@thesorceress - observation, alice (lady)
@EternalMagician - detective, Hideyoshi (older man)
@pictoshark - switcher, George (young man)

Unaccounted for
"Another young man" (could be @Aspirety)
“Man in white” (could be protector, unknown)
“Older man” (killer)
@Karifean
@Necem
@RegNewmont
@SuperM
@PocketyHat

Well now, that’s hasty of you! I had real-world things to attend to, ok :[

Either way, thank you @Wonderlander for pointing out his inconsistencies. You done good :slight_smile:

And now onto the crux of this round:

Who do we lynch?

Which is tantamount to… Who do we either suspect or are not too keen to lose on our side. It is a dangerous argument to make decisions based on assumptions, especially assumptions driven by claims of people who could lie, but let’s roll with that for now. We don’t really have much anything else.

Any of the 5 unaccounted for could be a protector, and randomly pushing our vote to one of them gives us a 20% chance of killing off the protector.
On the other hand, both @Aspirety and @Wonderlander have claimed vanilla roles. Thus, if we choose to lynch them, all we lose is another human player (and a quicker defeat if we make a mistake in choosing them).

However, as it stands, @Aspirety is under heavy suspicion. As to why, I don’t quite understand myself. But, hey, rolling with that, Allow me to follow pictoshark’s example:

We vote to lynch Aspirety. If we are lucky, we kill off a witch. If we aren’t, we kill off a vanilla character.

What do you say to that?

This approach is both stupid and pointless. But whatever, I’m too tired to snark, so you’ll get off without having to deal with my backtalk this time. [quote=“Pepe, post:144, topic:678”]
A pretty bold move to make, especially since the detective is one of the most dangerous pieces to the witch side, and you reveal yourself without bringing along information of a witch role with you. Tehehe~
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You know it wasn’t bold, he was forced to reveal himself by accident.

Thanks for those facts though. I still suspect @Aspirety, can we talk about possible reasons why we could consider him trustworthy, or something? The guy won’t show up to argue his own case, it feel kinda awkward to accuse him of being a witch, y’know?

Also, received, I will switch our supposed Detective with someone chosen at random.

Also as @Aspirety still hasn’t responded to my allegations, maybe THIS will get him moving.

Vote: Aspirety

My oh my mister @Pepe, you took the words right out of my mouth~
Which means I didn’t know how to word what you’ve said, but I honestly thought of something similar, bravo!

And I really want some info from @Aspirety, so I’m gonna give more motivation to speak, just like @pictoshark did.

Vote: Aspirety

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With… about eight and a half hours to go, the current votes stand at:

Aspirety - 2 (pictoshark, PocketyHat)

For a while there I was worried you’d all forgotten voting was a thing.

It does seem likely, though I’m not certain that Usagi would be a young man in any description, being a rabbit, but it’s a fair description of what happened. I’m probably considered a Lady.

Now, as strange as it would be for Battler to be the culprit I suppose the possibility does exist in this game. And he could certainly be the young man. I think I will follow the crowd in this decision for now.

Vote: Aspirety

Well @Aspirety unless you start talking looks like more of us will be voting for you

Vote: Aspirety

Wait a bit before you lock in your votes, reading the results of the first twilight I came up on this bit:

A man in white went to visit the young girl, aware that she’d probably
sneak off regardless of the danger in the house. Instead, he found the
old servant in the midst of his errand, and helped him search for the
girl’s lost item. When it was late enough that he was sure the danger
had passed them, he bid the servant farewell.

Looking at the characters there are only two men in white clothes on Rokkenjima that I know of, Nanjo and Battler (and possibly George who, while not wearing white clothes they do still has a really light colour, though the events described and @pictoshark’s statement that he is the switcher imply that it is two different characters). So either Nanjo is also involved in this game, there’s another character in white that I have completely forgotten or @Aspirety has, for some unknown reason, lied about being a vanilla. I am aware that, if @Aspirety is Battler but has chosen to lie for some reason, I do risk pointing the Witches at him but at this point it’s either that or allowing us humans to lynch him ourselves without thinking about all the possibilities.

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I voted Karifean above as well, and I still am not changing it.

And yes, I noticed earlier what @EternalMagician said about the man in white being the Protector. I assumed it was Battler and therefore @Aspirety, and him lying about his role made perfect sense to me since the protectors can’t protect themselves and they might be the witches’ first target. I decided to keep my deduction in the dark because I didn’t want to out him, but with you guys voting him, I suppose I have no choice but to support what @EternalMagician said.

Plus what is our basis on voting @Aspirety? His silence? Au contraire, unlike many other humans here, he made a claim, and when I compare him to people like @Karifean or @PocketyHat, I just find him normal. There are so many more suspicious people.

So tell me guys. Why are you voting @Aspirety? Give me a good solid reason, besides the fact that he hasn’t responded to your accusations yet. Which, you should ASAP @Aspirety. :stuck_out_tongue:

I just wanted him to talk, I’m not exactly voting for him, even though I did, but it’s more on the fact that I want him to defend himself.
Unless he gave up on the game and wants to be killed, human or not.
Then… I mean, I don’t think that would be an issue, if he’s vanilla as he says. But if he isn’t, eeesh, please talk.

The fact that he is almost certainly lying about his role, which I think you agree on, is what made me vote for him. And it seemed pretty low risk to take him out if he was somehow not lying, because he would have no special roles here.

However, I did not consider that he might be the Protector, as you are saying. Can you elaborate more on why you think this?

I also think that he is the Protector though I chose to not mention it to at least force the Witch to at least work a bit for it :winking:.
But the reason that at least I believe @Aspirety to be the protector, or at least there being a 50/50 % chance of it being him, is because the description of the Man in white’s action

A man in white went to visit the young girl, aware that she’d probably
sneak off regardless of the danger in the house. Instead, he found the
old servant in the midst of his errand, and helped him search for the
girl’s lost item. When it was late enough that he was sure the danger
had passed them, he bid the servant farewell.

fits really well with the description of the Protector/Life saver which say that the Protector can target one Player every night and if that Player is targeted by the Murderer that Player will still survive. Though it seems like the young girl he was looking for was affected by another Players action (switched?) so he found and protected a servant instead.

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Yes, me and @Pepe were switched and I suppose he came to protect me (d’awwww <3) but found Pepe instead.

But I think he was lying because he didn’t want to out himself as Protector, not because he is somebody on the witch side. And like @EternalMagician said above, the man in white fits him to a T. Or Nanjo. Anybody else claiming Nanjo? :stuck_out_tongue:

Plus what he did was a brilliant move IMO. He did out himself as a vanilla human which IS very possible, so that the witches would think the Protector was someone who hasn’t revealed their role yet. But then for some reason I STILL don’t understand, @pictoshark got all suspicious of @Aspirety, and then all of a sudden @Aspirety was in the spotlight and getting voted? Maybe we should look at the people who went along with what @pictoshark said. :slight_smile:

I just don’t get voting for him when there are tons of more suspicious people. Well, maybe not that more suspicious but still. I mean, @SuperM said just one thing the whole game. Why aren’t you making him talk? I mean, @Aspirety is asleep right now is he not? And if he wakes up late and gets lynched without even having a chance to defend himself… That would be sad. I will withdraw my vote of Karifean as well IF there are no votes against @Aspirety. I am not saying let’s not lynch somebody, but if you wanna get somebody to talk with votes, get someone who hasn’t spoken.

Lol looking over the backlog I just noticed how SuperM and Necem both have the title “Witch” and for just a moment I thought wait did Rabla fuck up somehow and openly admit the identities of the witches? =P

Well that’s certainly a roundabout way of avoiding the issue of your role and ability =P If you are a human-side character I hope you’ll be a little more forthcoming with potentially interesting information.

Anyways I really hope Aspi gets up before voting ends so he can respond to his questions. Even if only vaguely since outing yourself as the Protector is basically signing your own death warrant. I still believe that if he’s not vanilla he’s probably a witch-side character, but again, the quiet ones are the ones I consider the most suspicious.

With that in mind, I’ll change my vote again.

Change Vote: RegNewmont

There’s no need for four people to vote for one person just to pressurize them, and while I can believe PictoShark and also PocketyHat doing that, and I still believe thesorceress is not lying about her identity and goal, it feels… unnecessary for you, @RegNewmont, to join in? Unless of course you’d like to establish an ‘easy answer’ for voting along and take advantage of the fact that an innocent person has gotten multiple votes already. After all,

This just seems like casually voting along with the crowd when things are looking okay for you to me and also perpetuating an atmosphere of distrust towards Aspirety.

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Seriously, before starting the game I thought about changing that. :sweating:

Now for what’s happening this evening. Voting for Aspirety made sense to pressure him, but only to a certain degree. Like if two people vote for him, while there are no other votes around, he would die at the end of the day. No need for anybody to pressure him ‘more’. Because what could happen if he doesn’t get more votes? He’s still pressured, just the same.

Now, while I don’t believe your thinking is completely wrong, does it really make sense to force him to answer? I don’t think that him being absent is a matter of him trying to hide something. Let’s be real here, If you want to hide something or to safe your skin, the one thing you wouldn’t do is staying quiet about everything. But that’s only my thinking and could be completely wrong.

I tried to subtile hint at the possibility of him being our protector before, but it seems some people missed that. But, you know, this possibility is real. I know it’s as real as the possibility of him being a witch but I think that doesn’t matter for now. It would be bad if we find out in the next twilight that our protector is gone.

I won’t say that you people have to change your vote before it’s to late, but please think about what you are doing one more time. Looks like your pressure isn’t wokring. Is this because he is guilty? Or could something else be the reason?

Picking up on that, wouldn’t it make more sense to kill the vanilla character who has way less potential to be an important piece to this game? If we go by that logic, @Wonderlander would be the correct choice, or am I wrong?

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This is a bit off topic, but I looked again at the description of what went down and, while I thought I was the lady in it, I can’t be. Because the lady met with a man and Usagi’s description was of a young girl.

What lady and man are having a secret meeting? Is there anyone who just talks to each other but doesn’t have any actions? Is there another secret team?

I have no objections from changing my vote away from Aspirety, especially if y’all are convinced they are the protector. If he isn’t a witch, I don’t want him dead. But, is there anyone else that’s advisable to lynch? It’s difficult to figure out who to trust, with so many people refusing to admit to any identity or an ability.

Well, I can definitely see why you’re voting for me here and as far as me voting along with the crowd, I am just really a sucker for bandwagons and have a tendency to jump on one. I guess I just feel safest in numbers. It seems this description of the protector may fit battler so, just encase any witches are only reading this now, I will change my vote.

Change Vote: No Vote

I guess that this is just making me seem weak, but frankly I’d rather be thought of than weak than considered untrustworthy.
Now as far as me being considered untrustworthy goes, I feel like there is something I should share. If anyone uses an action on me tonight then it is very likely in the morning that I will be described as ‘An old/older man’. If the witches decide to kill my gamepiece tonight then that will do fine in proving this but if they are so kind as to let me live then any of you are able to use an ability on me to try and confirm this. I just wanted to make this clear before the twilight just in case there are multiple old men described in the morning and me along with someone else both claim that we are them, well lets hope this other older man comes forth and claims who they are.

But as far as the description ‘Older man’ goes. Would you guys consider this to be someone of Rudolph/Hideyoshi/Natsuhi etc. age or someone more like Kinzo/Genji/Kumasawa. Because my character would fall into the latter category