Rokkenjima Mafia - Game VI [Game Over - Witch Side Victory]

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#401

Not to be the bearer of bad news, but there are a few people who have placed suspicion on you.

My reasoning for suspecting you largely has to do with the weird set up surrounding your vote. I admit I have a fixation on it. It just does not seem to be a coincidence. AMF, you, and Blackrune voted for a target who may have been lynch bait today. After moving off of Rabla, I don’t see reason why I can’t suspect you as well. It’s not my fault for being suspicious, it is Mafia, after all. I will say I’m even more anxious about the way @Midsummer has been approaching that predicament, but a few people have pointed out that a Midsummer lynch could be really bad in the long run if they are human. @SleepingPliskin has been pushing for your lynch for a while, but they’ve raised good points. You need to raise equally good points to defend yourself.

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#402

There is also, well. This.

What does this scapegoat theory look like to you?

#403

I don’t think witches are the ones scapegoating me, they just go along with it. I suspect you the most out of the “go alongers” but you are right in saying EternalMagician and Doldod are along those lines. And if you want good reasons to not lynch me, killing me will barely give any info. If I am a human, there will be so many witch candidates it barely changes anything. And if I am a witch, you won’t have any leads on other witches at all. I mean the main reason you guys didn’t lynch Rabla is because “nobody came to his defense” Don’t lynch me then as well.

As for another good reason I am starting to get tired of “defending” myself everytime because of my behavior. Maybe that is a good reason to lynch me instead. :stuck_out_tongue:

Just don’t think I am a witch because of my “lack of input” I am always like this, after Head’s Ring I just stopped posting so much. And I still gave out much more info than people who post more than me yet still manage to stay on neutral ground mainly. You gained enough of an input from me to form a negative outcome @SleepingPliskin. There are so many people you can’t say the same about.

I won’t be casting my vote yet because I don’t have a strong lead, but I think we should start the voting. If you must vote me, so be it, but do it because ofna good reason, not just because I am not giving good reasons and because I am not THAT talkative. :slight_smile:

(I get that being defensive makes me look guilty but I can’t help it, my pride is easliy wounded. :p)

#404

There are no good reasons because there are no means of getting any reliable information outside from killing for humans in this game. The only things we can go on is speculation based on the behaviour of the players and yours is so unreadable that it’s very scary and makes people go against you. Which sounds like good enough of a reason for a vanilla game to me.

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#405

Sorry, mate, mafia is a ruthless game.

**Vote: Wonderlander **

#406

Wait. It’s harder to do it on the phone.
Vote: Wonderlander

#407

You don’t really seem to want to divulge more reasons why I’m a witch besides considering your lynch. I also asked you to fight against the accusations, but instead you seem to be guilting us against the vote. You sort of seem… Resigned. I don’t like that.

You haven’t said anything which incriminates you as a witch, but I dislike the general attitude. @rabla and a few others have pointed out that you don’t put much out. I think that may be a good read.

On the other hand, your suspicion of @sleepingpliskin and myself aren’t unfounded. I just think you could do better.

#408

Because I don’t have any reasons. It is not a strong read or anything, had I thought you were a witch strongly I would have voted you. And how am I supposed to fight against the accusations? We know nothing. I did my best anyways. And as for feeling resigned, wouldn’t you when basically almost everybody just doesn’t try to see things your way for like the nth game or so. I still try to engage but when people vote me off because of the way I act in every game, it just doesn’t feel like it is worth it. I still do my best, and as for not putting out much? I talk the same amount I usually do. I don’t know why they think I talk less.

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#409

Now, to be honest, and this is the reason why I’m reading Wonderlander as human, we can look at the anonymous game (Mafia IV) to have Wonderlander’s behavior as witch, where he basically said nothing at all. Sure, he might have been able to up his game as witch but I kinda doubt that (sorry Wonderlander, I know that this sounds harsh).

#410

Five and a half hours remain. The current vote standings are as follows:

akafa123 - 2 (thesorceress, VyseGolbez)
Wonderlander - 2 (SleepingPliskin, Doldod)
King_Titanitve_XV - 1 (Antra)
midsummer - 1 (Muski)
thesorceress - 1 (akafa123)

#411

Thank you very much. Not feeling much better and I’ll be busy until like 1 hour before vote time, maybe a bit earlier… I’ll do what I can.

Well I guess all I’m thinking of very clearly right now is that the whole thing about conversation leaders is not very productive because it’ll make people afraid to propose someone. If @thesorceress turns out to be wrong about akafa, is everyone going to lynch her for it next?
I guess what I’m saying is if you’re going to vote for someone don’t blame the person who “proposed the idea” for it. This is only my second game of course, but this is pretty much exactly what the witches played last time. Content to just follow misleads while letting Karifean take the blame and… me attacking him over it.

Which is why I consider it really weird coming from you @SleepingPliskin and that honestly very drastically lowered my trust of you this game so far… I’m actually considering voting against you because you should know better than act like I did last time. This only leads to a situation where nobody is going to want to propose anything at this pace.

I’ll wait for a reply about this before casting this into a clear vote but I’ll be gone sorry. I’ll be back before the end of the voting period.

As for @thesorceress You’re pretty much the only person I’m reading as a likely human right now, and the very reason I’m doing so is the same reason you claim to go after akafa… I guess this makes me actually consider the idea, but it’s not something anyone else can get into I think… This would be another possible consideration… but considering I have my own thing with the “trio” I think my vote will either fall into that group or against pliskin depending on his answer.

Just putting this out there more or less for the record, but for all we know it’s like Muski and EternalMagician who are the witches that no one are even remotely considering.

#412

Oh the “trio” would be wonderlander, midsummer and rabla (remember that the whole argument of wonderlander vs midsummer that I bought up is entirely based on the assumption that Rabla is human, which we don’t know about).

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#413

You can vote for me but I don’t think I’ve done the most suspicious things. Am I being aggressive today? Yes, only because I need to confirm my @Wonderlander theory. If you don’t think so, then tell me why someone else, like @Rabla for example (don’t mean to single him out). I do realize that I’m being hasty and if you think that’s a detriment then vote for me.

To give my theory to who are witches: it’s Rabla(the obvious shield), Wonderlander/Midsummer (either narrative control or information meddling), and Doldod/King (the quiet one). To be fair, these are subject to change but if I die and shows that I really am human, then see my list of people as a potential reference. However, @UsagiTenpura, beware of the good actors, that’s who I worry the most

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#414

I’m back for the final hours of the day.

I’m sorry to say I don’t have much to give when it comes to useful insights. I’ve been busy, and the time I’ve had for this game I’ve spent responding to suspicion thrown my way, since I don’t need to reread the thread three times to come up with ideas regarding my own actions.

One thing I’m curious about is that @Antra sure has been quiet today. He had the second-highest post count at the end of the first day, but today he’s only written a couple of very short posts, including a vote for King after people suddenly started voting out of nowhere. The difference is a bit jarring, though I suppose it could just be explained by Day 1 taking place during the weekend, when people have more time at their disposal.

Also, Pliskin, if we go by your theory and assume Wonderlander is a human, why do you think I would’ve voted for Rabla with solid reasoning behind the vote? Whichever way I look at it, it seems like a risky move with little benefit.

#415

I don’t get your reasoning. Even though I am the first one to bring Rabla to light by putting the first vote on him, you are saying both him and me are witches? Even though it would be much better for us as witches to not draw undue attention to one another? I don’t get it sorry. If this is good reason, no wonder my reasons aren’t considered good.

#416

Oh, and with only around 2 hours, I want to make the most logical choice I can right now.

Vote: akafa123

I don’t have a read on you, you are just the person with most votes. Sorry <3

#417

How long do we have left until a vote?

I’m holding off for now. As I’ve said before, I don’t feel strongly about lynching anyone at this time. I’m putting pressure on @wonderlander because I wanted to follow a trail of reasoning I came up with when I first noticed the oddity of the Rabla vote. I’m pretty disappointed with their answer, but failure to provide doesn’t prove someone is a witch. I mentioned this before, but we could do better than a wonderlander vote, I’m just not certain who the better option would be. I’m leaning toward @Midsummer , but upon rereading the thread and considering @UsagiTenpura’s post I see there is enough reason to suspect @SleepingPliskin as well.

I am sort of surprised by the fact that wonderlander wouldn’t affirm my theory that we’re being pressured to vote for them. Not caring if they die could either be throwing the match for the witch side or evidence they are a human. Considering that wonderlander just seems spiteful, I don’t know if I can say much in their defense except that there are less obvious, more dangerous witch candidates.

#418

I wonder if you could elaborate on why you consider me suspicious. I glanced through your recent posts, but I didn’t find anything particularly solid. Is it more of a hunch, or do you read my vote for Rabla on Day 1 as a witch move? If so, I’d like to know why.

#419

Oops. I realize we only have 2 hours left. I’m going to the dentist, so I’ll have to cast my vote now. Not sure how I feel about this conclusion. We can all talk about it tomorrow no matter the results.

Vote: wonderlander

#420

It could be wrong or it could be right. I cannot say anything about that. I mean there are 5-6 people who voiced their suspicions on me, some of them surely could be witches. And I do care if I die, which is why I am still posting and trying to help instead of just not posting anything.

And you vote me. So all that was just talk. Okay.