Let’s think about this from the Heir’s perspective, Assuming he wasn’t Star. What if the Heir is keeping themselves hidden in-case someone tries to false-claim their role. Then the Heir would be sure that Player is a Witch. I mean, it’s not like they have much information other than the fact that they are a Human and the Heir.
Hrmmmgh, looks like I was given the responsibility this time. I wasn’t quite prepared for this. Excuse me while I re-read the entire thread…
But feel free to start telling me who you think of as suspicious and/or suggest a way to determine our target.
Starturner is a… weird first victim. They were barely active compared to others. You’d think the witches would go for someone who actually said a lot.
The Heir revealing themselves is kind of a mix. If they revealed themselves now and the witches don’t intervene then they’d be a confirmed innocent person. (since we know for a fact the Heir didn’t die yet, considering Star was alchemist and Eternalmagician didn’t trigger the Heir thing)
As I’ve pointed out earlier they probably wouldn’t survive for long though, so that would really only work out for the current day. Still, it could be worth it just to have someone actually trustworthy.
If someone else does pretend to be the Heir there’s a “fun” 50/50 shot awaiting us where failure means the head dies as well. But I’m not sure if the witches would try that since it would put one of them in quite the spotlight.
If the Heir reveals themselves, it would take out one unknown variable to the human side, however, that also means that the one unknown variable to the Witch side disappears. The Heir’s “landmine” so to speak.
Hey so I’m gonna push back the phase end to maybe 6:30AM because of the forums fuckin exploding, feel free to continue your murder plots.
Can you elaborate on the forums exploding? I’ve been having problems logging in.
that’s what the problem was
I don’t think the Favored Heir nonchalantly coming out and revealing themselves would be a good idea. Sure it would narrow down the list of suspects by one for this daylight phase, but then there’s nothing stopping the witches from killing them during the night, is there?
Meanwhile, let’s get things rolling again. Star was chosen as the victim for the night. Why was he killed? No idea. Looking back over his posts, he said very little during the previous daylight phase, mostly restating rules and saying he would be fine with a Rest kill because it wouldn’t be himself who dies. Not much I can gleam from that… if anyone else has more insight, please share.
On that note I’d like the more quiet people to speak up and share their thoughts some more. Mainly, @Restkastel, @Aspirety and @Wonderlander, all three of who haven’t tuned in this daylight phase yet.
I just managed to login. 
And Star was a good move IMO. A human without any contributions to the chaos. A person nobody suspected of being a witch per se.
Hm, I have the following theory: Out of Restkastel and Karifean, at least one is human.
(Either both are human or one is a witch and one is human.)
I mostly think this because Karifean was the one who just endorsed going ahead with picto’s “just kill Rest” plan. I feel like if both of them were witches he would have at least tried to argue against it. And before you object, I know, I know. There’s always the possibility it’s all elaborate acting and he would have been fine with sacrificing his partner or something, I just personally don’t think that’s likely here.
Now, another point. Some people seem to be skeptic about pictoshark being a witch. Personally I can’t really see it. Sure, he ended up executing a human, but let’s not forget the lengths he went to before that, setting up an elaborate envelope “trap” to get reads on people. I can see a motivated human doing that, but it does feel somewhat out of place for a witch to go to those lengths. Maybe I just don’t know him well enough. Is this something I shouldn’t put past him?
That’s about all I’m confident enough to make a statement on right now.
Maybe people should go ahead and nominate who they think is most suspicious.
I’d welcome more opinions to work with.
Or maybe executing Rabla is indeed the only proper course of action here.
@Antra: You’re kind of right about the Heir potentially tripping up the witches, but let’s not forget it could also go terribly wrong if two humans suddenly died on the same day. If there somehow actually are three witches, that would be game over if it happened today. (I guess we can just hope I don’t somehow screw up that much.) On another note, maybe the new alchemist coming forward could be a good idea instead? Granted… they’d probably also not live much longer then, so that might just be as futile. Discuss though.
I don’t think the heir should step forward unless they are about to be executed because that is our only witch killing device.
I think at this point that no matter what the Heir does, there are always great risks.
As for why Star was killed, no idea.
I don’t think picto is a witch either. If he was, he’d have killed me. He was in a position to easily be able to justify executing me right there. And yet he didn’t. I seriously doubt he’d have passed up that opportunity if he was actually a witch.
I agree for the most part, I just don’t have much to say since I don’t have a lot to go on information-wise. Im a far more analytical player than some, so having no information whatsoever like this sort of irks me. Im unsure why star was killed as well, it seems like an odd move.
That reasoning relies on you knowing that you’re a human. Information that many of us don’t have a guarantee to.
Huh? Azzzzzzzzy! Why can’t I make that red? It’s a self evident truth!
Hmph. Fine, I guess you’re allowed to be mean to the players for no reason whenever you want to…
Consider this: That is precisely why Star was killed, because “it seems like an odd move”. In other words Star’s death was intended to create noise. The fact that they hit the Alchemist is merely a coincidence.
The odds aren’t too bad either, I guess there are 2, maybe 3 Witches, so they had a 1/6 or 1/7 chance of hitting the alchemist.
Another possibility is of course, The Witches were aiming for the alchemist, and aimed for the person they thought most likely to be the Alchemist.
They may have been under the mistaken impression that when they kill the Alchemist there is a chance of one of them becoming the Alchemist.
Sadly for the Witches I can cut that down: When a new Family Alchemist is randomly selected, there is no way for a Witch to become the Family Alchemist. Asking Azzy private questions about the rules can be really useful…
Another possibility is much simpler: They aimed to prevent the Family Alchemist from becoming used to their role. That way the selection of the head for Day 3 would be carried out by a relative novice.
Alright, that’s all I’ve got to put forward for now. Work your brains Detective Mage and Witch of 8! I’ll be over here chowing down on these delicious little white sweets.
I don’t think killing the Alchemist was their goal. I think they tried to create noise by offing somebody silent as well, because barely anybody would suspect Star over players like Karifean or Rest or you or even me. The intent was chaos. Makes much more sense than trying to find the alchemist.
Well, don’t have much more I can safely say either.
I’ll have to start narrowing down who I want to execute.
As I’ve said before I find picto pretty convincingly human, so that’s one off the list.
Restkastel and Karifean I’ll probably also throw out… for now. I looked at their posts and thought about whether the intention behind them could be “trying to not look suspicious”. Aside from when they defended themselves there wasn’t much of that. There at least seemed to be some legitimate attempts of trying to figure stuff out/getting people to talk there.
Still leaves me with Aspirety, Antra, sorceress, and Wonderlander.
Out of those, Aspirety asked some questions earlier, but has been quiet this day. Seeing how we’re starved for information I can kind of understand this, but it’s also easy for a witch to fake a bit of effort and then lay low.
Antra and sorceress made some posts that are just reactions to the deaths without much else. Some of those felt like the intention behind them could have been trying to fake looking upset… though I’m aware that at this point I might just be getting too paranoid with my analysis.
And Wonderlander hasn’t really said enough for me to have any thoughts on them. They gave some reasons for why they think star getting killed might make sense. I feel like a witch, barring any foolish desire to immediately justify themselves right out in the open, is more likely to just join the “What an odd pick. What are these witches thinking?” train, so that… could be a small point in Wonderlander’s favor.
I was at work for the past several hours so I know why I haven’t replied to Blackrune’s thoughts but I don’t know why no one else has.
I’ve been thinking a lot and, having just read Blackrune’s post, I just want to say one thing that I think is weird. The only time StarTurner really came up in group discussions was at the beginning, when Restkastel suggested taking them out. The other two people they suggested at that time, myself and Wonderlander, are now two of the four people that Blackrune is considering killing.
I’m really not sure what that means but it’s something I’ve been thinking about. I may have so little information right now that it’s making me paranoid about small coincidences.
I haven’t replied because I have nothing to say in particular right now.
That’s fair. There’s not a lot to be said.
Time is running out… guess there won’t be much more to discuss before I take some shot in the dark.
So… out of those four I feel there’s one who has the least speaking for them.
They asked some questions here and there but mostly left it to others to make actual attempts to analyze stuff, then gradually grew more silent and haven’t so much as made a single comment during the current day (which has already gone on for nearly two days, usually enough to get a comment in). Could be utterly clueless human, could be witch trying to fade into the background. I really can’t know for sure.
@Aspirety You’re now in the defendant’s chair. It might be wise to tell me why I shouldn’t execute you. Giving reasons to suspect someone else could help.
Others are of course free to comment on this proposal. But if I get no better ideas within the next couple hours I’ll have to take my chances before I die myself.