Rokkenjima Mafia Roulette - The Head's Ring [Game Over - Witch Side Victory]

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#302

Hold on. This is fucked up. Please explain why these two would be linked. The person who brought Blackrune up as a potential witch was Karifean himself. Im glad I caught this as I was looking through the thread because it makes no sense whatsoever.

How did we not see this until now. At this point accusing one of their own would be madness.

As the web of accusations go I think we can get to the bottom of this somewhat.

If @Karifean is a witch, then @wonderlander and @Blackrune are not.
If @thesorceress is a witch then @blackrune and @karifean are not.
If @wonderlander is a witch then @thesorceress and @karifean are not

This is just going by this round’s accusations. Possible non accusatory teams are as follows.

@Karifean and @thesorceress
@wonderlander and @Blackrune

As I stated above I do not think that the witches would be throwing accusations at each other at this point, at least not likely.

@pictoshark I would like your opinion on this as well since you seem to think out of the box.

#303

Ah, that first part was a mistake. I was misinterpreting an earlier post where @Blackrune said that one of you or @Karifean was human. This was during an earlier phase and it was about what Blackrune said about Karifean, not the other way around.

That web of accusation thing is really interesting. I’m really not certain about any of them, but you’re right that Karifean is the one I suspect the least (the one I suspect the most being Blackrune). I seriously did not realize how much Wonderlander has not been accusing Blackrune this whole time.

You probably don’t want my input on this so I’m going to check out and wait till pico says something.

#304

FUCKING DISCOURSE I ONLY JUST GOT A NOTIFICATION FOR THIS WHAT THE FUCK.

How do things like this even happen?

#305

Rest!

#Try combining those statements

Let’s set off with these Blues:

pictoshark is not a witch. No one has stepped forward to counter his claim as the family alchemist after all.

Restkastel is not a witch. I don’t even need to give my reasoning for this, as this post is for @Restkastel’s benefit (who knows his own identity).

There are two witches. There can’t be three, or we would have lost. If there is one then we have another chance to shoot. Let’s assume two then.

This is a chart for possible Witch teams:

This is that chart with people being on their own team being crossed out:

If @Karifean is a witch, then @wonderlander and @Blackrune are not.

This is that chart but with the above reasoning from Rest’s post added to it:

If @thesorceress is a witch then @blackrune and @karifean are not.

This is that chart but with the above reasoning from Rest’s post added to it:

If @wonderlander is a witch then @thesorceress and @karifean are not

This is that chart but with the above reasoning from Rest’s post added to it:

Oh dear…

Don’t shoot yet Rest! Let others try to counter this reasoning first.

But if they can’t…

Then we might be able to snag a witch kill.

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#306

While I think it’s a solid approach to look at things this way, I do think it’s somewhat dangerous to assume witches would not accuse one another. I did this myself in a Mafia game on a different forum only recently, which @pictoshark should remember as well. Since we lose if we don’t execute the witches this and next daylight phase, they could be trying to bring themselves into an advantageous situation for next daylight phase just as well.

That being said, @Blackrune and @Wonderlander are still my biggest suspects right now so shrug.

#307

This is why I ask you these things. That and it was rather late when I noticed that or I would have probably saw that last jump too.

In any case, We need to decide which of the two we want to shoot if neither of them can come up with an adequate reason why they are not a witch, which is more than a little hard considering lack of evidence cuts both ways in this game. I would say that I would probably rather shoot @Blackrune first instead of @Wonderlander, since I feel shooting the more capable one first makes sense.

@pictoshark @Karifean @thesorceress Input would be appreciated.

#308

@Restkastel
Game III:
Successfully execute a Witch.
t = 6 hours
Incompletes will be destroyed.

Now that I’ve got my GDA for poor TWEWY jokes out of the way…

Then shoot @Blackrune. Duh.

I speak to you @Blackrune and @Wonderlander (if we’re right about the two of you being witches)

If we strike down one of you, all we need to do is give the headship to one of our own again and strike down the other. There is no reason for you to continue this farce. You don’t have to make a kill each night. Show that you’re good sports. There is no reason for the remainder to bother shooting tonight.

#Surrender

At least protest against this unfair game one last time before it ends. I mean, really? Putting Me, Karifean and Restkastel on one team? Why are you still standing for this blatant unfairness. Your master is a fool. Why not give him the finger before this ends.

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#309

I mean, sure, if that was the case I might as well surrender right now, but… I’m a human, so no can do.
Is it really that unlikely that witches would lie and accuse their teammate here?
Witches might win with just one more wrong execution, so they could easily just throw in their partner as a secondary suspect if it rules out them being on a team. As long as I get executed first, they probably win the game, so it’s not like they’d really have to care that much.

#310

Even if that’s the case will you agree that @Wonderlander is a pretty likely witch?

#311

Well, after the previous I’m not too confident in my judgment there anymore, which is why I refrained from quick accusations today.
Considering I already know the witches must have probably accused their partner, I think it’s not that unlikely.
I mean, I’m most likely left with a 66% chance to get it right here.

#312

My only imput is that I feel very certain that unless someone is playing the long game, I’m almost certain you’re right.

Shoot whichever one you’re most certain is a witch.

#313

Well I know I am not a witch so :stuck_out_tongue:

Anyways while I agree with Karifean’s sentiment about witches accusing one another can be valid, I also don’t know why we aren’t suspecting Rest at all.

Anyways, off me or Blackrune if you want. It will be super fun if you execute blackrune and they actually are a witch though. If that happens, the remaining witch, please, PLEASE kill me tonight. Wouldn’t that be an amazing mindscrew? You don’t wanna win boringly do you?

#314

The reason why is that I could have just murdered one of you right here and now and been done with it if we are assuming its two witches. We then would have won via night killing since we could have offed two humans in one day, putting us at being an equal number with the Witches.

Thats why I’m not being suspected.

#315

##ShootWonderlander2017

Because at least @Blackrune might accept our offer of surrender.

#316

I actually did not think of that. You are right. But then again you also are a bit sadistic so who knows.

And lol I bet the two witches are cackling in glee. If they turn out to be sorceress and Kari I will be very very happy lol.

But please execute Blackrune first if you are gonna execute one of us. If you execute me you execute a human for sure. If you execute Blackrune, there is a chance they are a witch.

But then again maybe you wanna off me because you saw that I claimed I wasn’t the heir so you know you won’t die. :stuck_out_tongue:

#317

Wonderlander you idiot. If Rest is a witch. There is nothing we can do about it. We lose. Therefore there is no point planning strategies around it or discussing the possibility of it.

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#318

Okay, so assuming they are accusing each other, I still only have three targets I think could be witches.

@Wonderlander
@thesorceress
@Blackrune

Why you might ask do I exclude Kari? Because I do not think this is consistent with his behavior when he is on an offensive team. He is trying to get way too much information out there for us to see. As for the other two, I think there is at least a 66% chance of hitting a witch by randomly shooting between the three, but I am unsure of which to choose to make the chances higher.

I want to shoot Wonderlander but…Something seems odd that theres such a dogpile on them. It makes me suspicious. If I wasn’t rather sure that Picto is a human because of what Rabla has said, I would make a point to say that this could have been a ploy on Picto and Kari’s behalf to troll me into causing the loss.

In any case, I would have expected more defense for a fellow witch, but the whole lack of information with this game is rather annoying. Theres nothing you really can do besides make claims without any verifiable evidence which irks me to no end. If I could, I would just shoot Rabla right now.

@pictoshark Play devils advocate, @karifean too. What do you think would be arguments against each person being a witch.

#319

Huhu… [quote=“Restkastel, post:318, topic:1049”]
Something seems odd that theres such a dogpile on them.
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And that’s the downside of paranoia!

Ooooooh… an interesting proposition. Does that include @Karifean?

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#320

Yes.

#321

I am off to bed now. Will be interesting to see if I am offed or not. Let’s hope you guys do something good for humans. :slight_smile: