Rokkenjima Secret Oyashiro I [Finished - Progressive Victory]

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#121

I also refuse, not because I intend to lose…

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…but because I intend to let everyone on my side win, not just me!

For this purpose, I will give my view regarding what went through the policy-passing process. I will not use red or loli truth because it is against the rules, so feel free to disregard anything I say if it sounds fishy.

I was given two radical policies and one progressive policy. I threw away one of the radical policies and gave them to Rabla. I knew that while it only gave me a 50-50 chance of getting the policy I wanted passed, it would help to confirm Rabla’s identity, opening up potential targets for investigation and/or murder.

That is all. Please give me just a bit more time to decide on who to investigate, and feel free to add anything that might help. :slight_smile:

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#122

Ha, well isn’t this a very interesting turn of events?

Firstly, I’ll say that I don’t trust nor distrust neither Eisen nor Rabla for now, they have both done a very good job to create such an ambivalent aura about them. Now, I think it is possible that both our fellow members are radicals, both their explanations as to what went on behind the scenes contradict one another, and if they are both radicals, they may be acting like they’re on different sides and pushing the guilt on one another. Then, in the midst of all this confusion, they will use the investigation ability and say that a certain somebody, maybe little old me, is a radical, and shift everybody’s attention to them. But all this strategy of theirs doesn’t seem to be working very well thus far. Anyhow, I have three theories as to what might be going on:

  1. Eisen and Rabla are both radicals and are trying to make it look like they’re on different sides by pushing the guilt onto on another. This works well as a cover up for their knowledge of one another’s roles too and it causes confusion about who’s who between us all.
  2. This is what I think is quite likely to be going on. One of them is Oyashiro. If Eisen is Oyashiro, he knows he’s a radical but doesn’t know who his allies are yet, so, if he was given 2 progressive policies and a radical one, he discarded the progressive one and waited if Rabla would do the same, confirming he too was a radical. But if Rabla is a progressive and Eisen was given 2 radical policies and a progressive one, Eisen probably discarded the latter, and has of course, forced Rabla into enacting a radical policy. Now, Rabla may be a radical, so it is good for Eisen that he found one of his allies, but if he is a progressive, Eisen is making them look suspicious. So, only if the first scenario happened Eisen has assured himself that Rabla is his ally. If Rabla is Oyashiro, there is not much evidence to support that for now, cause he could be just a normal radical if he discarded a progressive policy and enacted a radical one. But Oyashiro is supposed to look like a normal radical, though… :slight_smile:
  3. One of them is progressive and the other is radical, so the latter is pushing the guilt onto the former. If so, one of their explanations as to what went on behind the scenes should be true.
  4. Both are progressive and the accident of being given 3 radical policies happened.

That’s all I can think of for now, we’ll see in time by certain evidence if any of this is true or not.

As for who to investigate, I trust Eisen to choose somebody. I know that his recent actions have made him untrustworthy, but if he wants to redeem himself, he himself should show us how much he knows or doesn’t know about this council of ours by choosing for himself.

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#123

4 is impossible since EisenKoubu has confirmed he received 1 progressive. If he were progressive he wouldn’t need lie about that.

I didn’t consider that EisenKoubu might be Oyashiro, though…

At any rate, I won’t be satisfied until I see an extremist identified. Please don’t drag this out any further than necessary; the game has a long way to go yet.

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#124

At this point I don’t even care what he picks. I just want to go to the next phase… this is taking so long… Half of us aren’t even going to believe him anyways.

#125

I’ve made my decision.

I was initially intending to examine Pepe, as he seems the most suspicious to me, but something is bugging me. I’m feeling a pressure from some of the council members to do what I can to regain their trust, even if it means I have to lie. I don’t want that, and I feel like if I’m going to find the truth, I must pick someone whom I will benefit from regardless of what the outcome is.

Therefore, for my investigation, I choose to examine @Aspirety.

My reasoning is this: if Aspi is a progressive, he would not have a reason to distrust me, because he knows it’s the truth. If he is a radical, however, it’s another step towards rooting out these radicals and bringing them to justice. Of course, that’s only between me and Aspi, because he will know if I am lying or not about his alignment. It’s his decision to speak out about it, though. :wink:

#126

EisenKoubu has been granted a single red truth. And with that concluded, let’s officially move on to the next phase.

@Yerian@EisenKoubu@Aspirety@Rabla@Pepe@DaBackpack@cjlim2007@Sapphire@Necem

Current game status

Radical policies played: 1
Progressive policies played: 1
Next presidential privilege unlocked by radical policy: Investigation
Previous government: EisenKoubu and Rabla

Election Phase

@Aspirety, you are the current presidential candidate, please nominate a chancellor. Do note that EisenKoubu and Rabla cannot be nominated as chancellors since they were part of the previous government. Feel free to take your time and discuss the results of the previous government phase with your fellow council members, but once you’ve made up your mind regarding a chancellor, please state their name in bold. We will then start the voting.

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#127

Would you like to share with the class what you saw?

#128

I have concluded that Aspirety…

is indeed my ally. :smiley:

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#129

That legitimately helps no one… Sighh

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#130

I guess I’ll just wait for Aspi to wake up. I don’t think anyone will believe anything you say anymore @EisenKoubu

#131

I forgot that it took me a day to realize that this wasn’t how the policies were counted and I originally wrote it wrong. If anyone was actually paying attention and got confused, that’s my bad.

#132

Here’s something to keep in mind:

All Radicals except Oyashiro know exactly who their team members are right from the start. By process of elimination, they have a very good idea who the Progressives are, but they don’t know who Oyashiro is. Neither Progressives nor Oyashiro share this privilege, so part of my point in finding out who Aspi is is to figure out if he is a teammate, since it’s impossible to guess who Oyashiro is. I benefit regardless of what the outcome was, but it’s up to other people to decide if they want to believe either Aspi, Rabla, myself or any combination of those are trustworthy or not.

You can believe I’m lying, and by extension, Aspi may be a liar because we are of the same alignment. As much as I want to, I can only state public information, not private, in red or loli. So, it’s really up to others if they want to believe what I say. Just know that in choosing not to believe me, you may be ignoring some valuable information in this game of lies and deceit. I can do no less as a representative of the good people of Hinamizawa.

With that said, I look forward to seeing whom @Aspirety chooses as his chancellor. :slight_smile:

#133

Ah, wonderful then, that you have finally found one of them!

Anyhow, where are you Aspirety, what do you have to say about all this gossip going around about you or do you want to look like a mysterious one that you’ve gone into hiding? :slight_smile:

#134

I was sleeping.

@EisenKoubu, I don’t accept you. Your blatant refusal of transparency is clearly suspicious, so I have no reason to believe anything you’re saying. In that case, I have no reason to believe you are my ally.

Wasn’t expecting it to be my turn to be President so soon…

Looking at people we have the least data on, I’m thinking either @Sapphire or @Necem would be good choices. Not because I trust them; rather, because I want to know whether or not I can trust them.

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#135

I guess I’ll take the opportunity to just remind everyone - just in case anyone forgot - that I did reveal the seating order which is the order of presidential candidates at the beginning of the game. Also, whenever I @mention everybody, that’s also always in the seating order.

The radicals do in fact know who Oyashiro is.

#136

Right, my mistake. Sometimes I have to restate what the rules are just to remember them, there’s so many… ^^;

What do I have to gain from being transparent? Perhaps it’s pointless to stay in the shadows about certain things because the radicals know who everyone is, but what progressive is going to believe I’m a progressive? You certainly don’t, even though I stated that you are my ally, and gave subtle hints to imply I am a progressive. If you want me to be blatant without speaking the red or loli, then I will be blatant.

I am a progressive, and so is Aspirety.

I was given two radical policies and one progressive policy. I discarded one radical policy and gave the rest to Rabla.

Rabla passed the radical policy, so I have reason to believe he is a radical.

That’s all I know, blatantly stated for you. Believe what you will. I still support you as our presidential candidate, and I still have no reason to antagonize anyone other than Rabla.

drops the mic and waits to be modkilled

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#137

Why would you get modkilled?

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#138

I’m a bit confused. If you are a progressive, you have everything to gain by being open and honest. Your goal is to convince others you have nothing to hide. Why would you be modkilled?

#139

Sure, I wouldn’t mind working beside you towards the future of our village, so let’s see how much you can come to trust me during the process. :slight_smile:

#140

(It’s not made clear in the rules that progressives should be actively working together to figure out who each other are, and there’s nothing to encourage such discussion. Coupled with the fact that I can’t share physical evidence of private information, I inferred that I had to keep my identity secret like in the gameboards I previously participated in.)

I fear the wrath of our village’s guardian deity…if I speak out of turn, I may meet a fate like all the others who died to his hand in years past. And if I die, I may not be able to keep this village safe for her… :disappointed_relieved:

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