Rose Guns Days - Season 3 General Discussion

General discussion topic for Season 3 of Rose Guns Days. Please tag references to later Seasons and outside works with [spoiler] tags, providing adequate context for the spoiler in parenthesis.

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Season 3 of Rose Guns Days continues the trend of each season being better than the last. Once again it has two distinct parts to it; the second half of 1948, and the first half of 1949.

The later half of 1948 does not disappoint. We get treated to Zel’s backstory and a phenomenal heist. The way Ryukishi uses the specific but unique talents of the wandering dogs to craft a plan that no one but them could pull off is what really sells the scenario. The fact that Rose and the rest of Primavera expected them to fail and merely wanted them to be a distraction makes it all the better. The Rose vs Wang conflict is in many ways more intense than the Rose vs Caleb fight, despite no physical fighting occurring between them. I’m a sucker for conflicts being solved via political maneuvering and clever plans, so the way Rose resolved the Soy Sauce Wars was top notch in my opinion.

1949 marks a shift in the overall tone of Rose Guns Days. Despite Allan being a constant joker, 1949 takes a darker tone than the previous two years. The fact that Keith is a sniper and Allan is his spotter plays a part in this, as it shows the more ruthless side of Primavera. But the real element of 1949 that shakes things up is Gabriel. And dear god is his theme, Axelle Ratio, is fitting for his madness, and impossible to stop listening to.

The end of season 3 marks the first major character death with Stella, and sets the stage for season 4, where no character is safe.

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It’s time for me to drop my opinion and thoughts about Season 3 because I just finished it!

So, in the first half we still follow the Wandering Dogs but soon realize that Zel is the Legendary Assassin Hotarubi that is hired by Wang (the antagonist of this half, I don’t like this guy at all) to kill Rose. I must say I was kinda like Charles after that reveal, I didn’t want to believe this, I didn’t want to believe that the friendly and cheerful Zel is actually hired to kill Rose. Charles, Nina and Oliver refused to believe that and still believed in Zel. So they searched for her after she run away, and stumbled into the final mission of the Assassin Hotarubi, “rescue your father”. This heist happened at the final conference between Wang and Rose and was imo perfect, again they combined their strengths and succeeded in rescuing her father. The thing that makes every thing here even better is, Rose and the others expected them to fail. They made the impossible, possible.

Now to the second half, I enjoyed it more than the rest of RGD so far tbh. and I really liked that the tone got darker. It introduced the Sniper Keith and his spotter Alan, I can’t say much about Alan but I really like Keith, his character is really appealing to me, every time I saw him with Stella and Yuuji my heart felt the warmth of these scenes and that made me happy.

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This Guy is pure insanity… and I Love it. He truly is the descent of Hell’s angel, his past is really sad, it forms his anger for the Mafia, and imo makes him the Perfect Villain. His theme Axelle Ratio also is pure insanity and tbh. I can’t stop listening to this because it is sooo good. His anger for the Mafia lead to the end of Season 3 and oh my, it really hit me hard, I certainly didn’t expect the Death of Stella… It made me really sad, especially because I loved to see the relationship between her and Keith.

I’m Super excited for Last Season now!

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HOLY CRAP! What the fu*k was that ending???


So, first of all, let’s talk about Zel’s arc, the third story arc of Rose Gun Days (I call it Zel’s because she appears to be at the center of these events). I wasn’t very surprised when Rapunzel’s true identity was revealed since I speculated in the season 2 thread that she might very well be an assassin sent after Rose, though the reveal itself was handled splendidly. I really appreciated the impact of the reveal on the rest of the Wandering Dogs and how lost and confused everyone was about that revelation, and I loved how Oliver was the one who never gave up on her. Oliver, Charles and Nina all get splendid moments of glory in the third season, and it is a joy to watch them grow more independent and reliable.

And can we just take a moment to address the sheer brilliance of the moment when Rose was standing right behind Zel as Zel was pondering over whether or not to poison Rose?

Rose: "After all, that ring doesn’t suit you."

First of all, I was shocked that Rose was standing behind Zel, as if she had expected it. Second, that line, was such a brilliant callback to season 2 where Miguel noticed Rose’s conspicuous ring, and said the exact same thing. To make it even more amusing, Rose was also planning on using her special ring in order to poison someone. Such a neat parallel. So good.

Mad respect to Zel for deciding against poisoning Rose despite her father’s life being on the line. It sucks that she had to leave, but here’s hoping she somehow returns in the future.

Another new character that I should mention is Wang. Wang is, to put it simply, annoying. Probably one of the more unlikable I’ve encountered so far. I think what bothered me the most about him was this friendly facade he would put on and act all ridiculous and silly when in reality he’s just fucking with everyone. I didn’t like it one bit. Though I have to say that he definitely made for a challenging antagonist, and as annoying as he was, it was incredibly satisfying to observe his downfall.

Rose continues to undergo development and growth, and while it’s quite fascinating, it is also quite saddening. Rose is without a doubt an idealistic person, but even she is forced to realize that Japanese in the current era are poor, and they do not care as much about their culture, as much as they care about getting through a single day. It was refreshing to see Rose fail at an attempt to revive Japanese culture because it’s completely realistic. You can’t succeed at everything you set out to accomplish. Still, I am genuinely amazed by Rose’s transformation and everything she accomplished.


The second arc of the third season (and the fourth arc overall) marks the introduction of a devilish angel, Gabriel Kuburaya.

Gabriel truly seems like the ultimate antagonist of Rose Gun Days. And I’m not just saying that because he seems incredibly cunning and calculating, even more than some other characters, but because he’s inherently different from all the other antagonists we faced. Most of the obstacles that Rose and others faced were members of the underworld. Here, we are facing a man who is seemingly virtuous and clean, above the criminal underworld, truly like an angel.

In other words, Gabriel is f’ing insane. I can kind of understand his drive for revenge, and the sadness he felt for losing his family to some random criminals, but going as far as endangering innocent people (including little children) for the sake of fulfilling your objective is completely nuts. Hell, even Alfred seems like a more compassionate individual than him (I can’t believe I just wrote that).

It’s crazy how this novel pulled a complete 180 at the very end.

Rose was shot and badly injured.
Stella was murdered. (I felt so bad for Richard as well)
Yuuji was shot and injured.
Yuki was almost killed as well. (thank God she survived)

Like, everything is going well, you’re thinking “haha, Gabriel underestimated them, he will learn that he can’t kill them easily”, everyone is fighting back nicely, you’re cheering for them, and then bam! Everything turns to shit! Suddenly Rose is down, Richard is probably taking over as a leader thirsty for revenge, Primavera has a new leader, Butler is practically Gabriel’s pet and who even knows how GDS will respond to this massive shift. There is this huge change in tone, and I kinda like it.

To be honest, for the longest time I felt that Rose Gun Days lacked consequences for many of the characters’ actions. So many gun fights, so much conflict, and yet most of the characters escaped unharmed, triumphing over the antagonists (don’t even get me started on Leo’s “legendary” fight). This might sound cruel, but seeing these characters finally crumble and suffer from their involvement made me a little happy, because ultimately, it is realistic. Things cannot remain all peachy forever.

Lastly, I’ll talk a bit about some of the new characters introduced in the third season:

  • Alan. Alan is a fun character. He has an amazing character design, a fun personality, and reminds me a lot of Leo, except he seems less overpowered. Lovable guy.

  • Keith. Initially, I wasn’t very fond of Keith, who seemed like an obvious foil to Alan’s lighthearted personality, however, I did grow to appreciate him and his attitude towards children and the Japanese people. The fact that he was able to recognize that having a family and loving someone can’t be all that bad is very charming, though I did not expected a sudden romance between him and Stella, haha.

  • Yuki. Another cool addition to the cast. She’s likable, has a nice design and having her as Meijiu’s sister was pretty cool because it allows the readers to witness a whole new side of Meijiu. I am definitely rooting for her and Alan to somehow end up together by the end of all of this.

I have no idea what to expect from the final season. Rose’s downfall is inevitable. Likewise, Primavera’s change is also inevitable. I’m curious to see what kind of character Jeanne turns out to be, and maybe we can finally learn who Wayne will end up with (my guess is Rose or Meryl, haha).

Bring on the Last Season! :iza:

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Ahh. It’s unfortunate to hear that you ended up disliking Wang. He was one of my favourite characters in Rose Guns Days for a similar reason as to why Erika was one of my favourites in Umineko – they’re so very obviously despicable, yet act shamelessly as if they were on the side of the good while being really over the top as well. Gabriel to me was too perfect of a villain, escaping suspicion so well that he never really had to put himself in the battle. Wang on the other hand played the role with a ton of flair, fully aware of his position and twisting his words so that while he was clearly in the wrong, there was nothing Primavera could say against him. In that he performed an almost perfect diplomatic masquerade.

When reading scenes with him I was mainly reminded of two things. The first was one of my history projects, which had me reading about Russia’s interactions with China and Japan prior to the Russo-Japanese war, where the Russians (and other powers too) used clearly bullshit reasons to attempt to obtain and retain influence in the Manchurian area. The second was my experience in military conscription, where some of my fellow conscripts managed to twist the words and situation in many cases so well that the higher ups were pretty much at the mercy of their whims (which pissed me off a lot). Wang was probably a mix of these two to me, and pulled off in a way that while he makes your blood boil, you can’t help but admire his guile and flair.

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It’s funny you should mention Erika because I love Erika, probably one of my favorite characters in Umineko. And yet, I can’t see the same appeal in Wang. Maybe when I re-read some of his scenes my opinion towards him will change. He was definitely VERY frustrating, much like Erika at times haha.

It’s hard to explain why I have different emotions towards these two characters when they’re similar in many ways, as you already described.

I think a lot of it had to do with the portrayal of each character. Erika served someone and was basically at someone else’s mercy. She also failed constantly which made her more fun. When it comes to Wang, he seemed to be pretty much on top of everything most of the time, and I wasn’t particularly pleased with some of the opinions he had about the Japanese people.

Erika was knocked down a peg on many occasions, which can’t be said for Wang.

And lastly, I feel like Erika is far more ridiculous and crazy of a character than Wang. Some of her scenes and lines are absolutely hilarious which makes all the more appealing. So I don’t think Wang measures up to Erika in that aspect, to be honest. So it’s less to do with their sex and more with the way their characters were portrayed and how much appeal they had.

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One’s a cute girl and the other is a middle aged man :winking: