Hoy! mimsy! We could start a back and forth here if you want too.
An important thing to remember is that Sins are subjective and they are defined by humans. A sin is not necessarily an evil act, it could merely be an act that another human takes issue with. Therefore, almost any act taken by a human being could be defined as a sin. Beatrice using the noun “sin” tells us nothing of the nature of what Battler did. It doesn’t even tell us if it inconvenienced anyone at the time. Just the mere fact that it caused the murders could lead to it being referred to as a sin.
All this tells us is that all of the murders have a root cause, and that root cause can be traced back to Battler. Reaching any other conclusions without additional evidence is overly hasty, and rash.
I think talking about this could actually be quite important. We know Battler’s Sin causes everyone’s deaths. In addition these deaths all occur as soon as Battler comes back into the picture after a long break. We could just chalk it up to coincidence, but it seems pretty likely that the killer specifically wants Battler dead and isn’t just killing him because he’s there.
Also part of MY wall of text up above supposed the following theory to solve the “Who am I?” ridddle.
Unfortunately @mimsy here has reminded me of a veeeeeeery unfortunate fact that completely disproves my theory.
If Kinzo has spoken to Beatrice, and the existence of their conversation has been confirmed by the red, then I can’t go around insisting Beatrice is a concept now, can I?
HOWEVER, thanks to this brief discussion about how Battler seems to be (at least part of) the root cause of everything I believe I now have a means of attack, a new theory.
Beatrice is the Beatrice who was locked up in Kuwadorin and died. She ascended to the metaworld through the same unknown means which allowed Battler to do so. She was a part of the root cause of the killings. Therefore, if Battler kills himself from stress amassed from the killings, then it could be said that “Beatrice killed him”.
And I can already hear your objections audience! Yet I [Beatrice] am here, now, and am about to kill you.
I’ve got this! Beatrice is “here”, her corpse is still on the island! Kinzo had it discovered by his assistants who help in the upkeep at Kuwadorin. He then kept her body in a suitable location, such as her previous bedroom, and it remains there to this very day.
Also I feel people are ignoring (or just not expressing) how much of a big deal "Kinzo is already dead at the starting time for all games!" really is. It brings into question the motivation and circumstances of anyone and everyone who confirms his existence in the study. We must question ALL of them. And it also questions a belief we’ve held since around 33% of the way through Episode 3.
“We can’t trust anything Battler didn’t see, We can trust anything Battler did see.”
Previously I could shrug off the insanity at the end of Episode 2 with all sorts of methods, e.g: The scene is from the point of view of an omniscient Narrator, Battler cannot be described as seeing it because Battler has already lost all sense of self. Battler is never referred to by name by the narrator in that scene, maybe after he surrendered and became the witches furniture, he was sent off to some storage place, and the furniture that dressed and accompanied Beatrice wasn’t actually Battler. Maybe the one that dressed Beatrice was, but the one that came down the stairs with her was not, the list of possible ways of dodging it go on and on.
However Battler clearly saw Kinzo in that room. He clearly saw Kinzo alive. But we know from the red that Kinzo was long dead by this point. Unless we can redefine our rules for what we can trust, then we won’t be able to trust ANYTHING Battler sees, which makes it almost impossible to come to any conclusions about anything.
I figure I may as well (try to) answer your questions.
Who is Ushiromiya Battler?
One of the grandsons of Kinzo?
Who is the Meta Battler, and who is the Battler of the gameboard?
As covered in the Episode 2 tea party podcast, it seems likely that Meta Battler is the Battler who died in Episode 1. Gameboard Battler appears to be the Battler’s of each of the games, just like every other game piece.
Are they the same, or different, and how did they become different?
The nature of the Meta World, as well as how Battler ascended to it, appear to be a complete mystery for now.
Who was Battler born from, if not Asumu?
Probably someone Rudolf had sex with. In all seriousness though, I’d say the most likely candidate is Kyrie.
Does it matter?
It would mean that Kyrie or Rudolf would have had a reason to conceal that from him.
What was Battler’s sin?
Specifically? Ummmmmmmmm. I got nothing.
Why doesn’t he remember it?
As theorized by me, it may have not been a particularly notable event for him. Another theory (assuming the sin involves the Ushiromiyas), he was what, 12 (at the oldest) when it could have potentially happened. Maybe we forgot in the time that passed?
How did it lead to the deaths on the island?
Refer to my answer for “What was Battler’s sin?”.
And what has Beatrice so sulky?
She realized she has to act really out of character and show Battler a scene of her randomly roasting Kinzo in order to keep his death a secret. She knew it was only a matter of time until Battler saw through that, and was feeling like a sore loser at the time.
I have a question for YOU mimsy! If there’s any one else reading I’ve love for them to answer too. Just using your memory, thinking off the top of your head, How does Kinzo’s being dead from the start change the mystery and the likely suspects?