General discussion topic for Episode 8: Twilight of the Golden Witch of Umineko When They Cry. Episode 8 refers to volumes 19-21 of the manga, and was not adapted by the anime series.
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Around the climax of this episode, the song Ricordando il Passato by Shikata Akiko plays. This song, I believe, is the only Umineko song entirely written in a language thatâs not Japanese nor English; itâs in Italian. Most people speak English, and itâs likely that you have at least a grasp of Japanese if you like visual novels, but I doubt that many people know Italian in comparison. Therefore, I wondered for myself if itâs better for people to look up the song before it appears in the story, so they will know the meaning of the lyrics. Since Iâm a language nut who focuses more on lyrics than music, Iâm definitely in favor of doing this. Simply knowing that riposa in pace means rest in peace adds so much to the moment, I think. However, it is still a bit of a spoiler, so what do people think?
Does anyone know the answer to Nanjoâs puzzle? Iâm so terrible at math. Iâve been sitting here for 30 minutes and canât even figure out how to set up a math problem for this. Iâm so frustrated over this I could cry. Evaâs hint doesnât help at all.
I always wondered after that happened that perhaps Erika exists as some sort of anti-fantasy persona of Ange. That would certainly make her place in Rokkenjima more interesting, donât you think? So maybe Erika isnât a piece at all, rather instead a personality like Shannon is for Yasu. Perhaps âErika Furudoâ is the result of the 1998 Ange that has been corrupted by Bern.
Also to answer your question, @samus! The answer to Nanjoâs question is â20â and the answer to Kumasawaâs is âKaâ. I had to ask my friend who lives in Japan about both of these (because I had no idea), since both of these questions involved a lot of weird linguistic things going on that non-Japanese speakers donât understand. That said, I also should mention that the prize gotten from getting all of the answers right is the same as getting some of them wrong. Regardless of how many you get wrong/right, the prize is always the golden butterfly on Angeâs shoulder once she goes through the door at the end.
Also, @Pandora, thereâs an Umineko version of the same video. Itâs perfecto~
I just finished the 8th episode today with both endings. And Iâll have you know, I sobbed ugly tears that could fill a whole pool Mainly in Battler and Sayoâs scene. Even now I am still deluding myself hoping she somehow survived and that they could meet again. If you believe in miracles they"ll happen, right? Bern and Lamdbeldelta line really hit me too âWe will meet again. When something else criesâ that really hit hard. The final scene where they all welcomed battler back also made me want to bawl my eyes out. Overall episode 8 magic ending was very touching. Although I was quite confused about why everyone hated trick ending. It wasnt all that bad for me at least.
Overall this has been a great game, definitely my most favorite. Hoping after many years of its release that weâll get an anime adaptation by ufotable or likewise, not something that leaves out many important details cough studio deen cough.
My favourite characters overall have been Willard and Dlanor, their badass scene when fighting those goats definitely got to me.
I have a hope that maybe, in another fragment Battler and Sayo got to live together. I think rather the reason why we didnt get a not so happy ending was revealed by ikkuko and probably that was what R7 was thinking. That âReaders would find a happy ending boringâ. Maybe this was the best ending fitting, and probably was a happy ending for both Sayo and Battler.
Excuse me for ranting off my thoughts I just felt like getting those out after being an emotional mess.
I believe someone also concocted a Tohya is Bernkastel theory. I personally also developed a Sayo is Erika theory, and Ikuko is Bernkastel theory, but I havenât posted it yet due to lack of supporting evidence.
I shall soon, I would love to see more scenes in detail like the end of ep 6 or the battle of the golden land. It would honestly feel weird tho without all the background music and voices. Gonna miss M.Zakky and Beatriceâs laugh.
Really, did you? Iâm interested to hear these theories, as Iâve never heard of ones that link Ikuko to the meta characters. Or do you mean sheâs Bernkastel metaphorically? As in, since Bernkastel said since Episode 1 that she will help Battler discover the truth and Ikuko has helped Tohya with that somehow, sheâs the Bernkastel of the meta world?
I just read from Sayoâs confession scenes to the end of the EP8 manga, and all the emotions may have hit even harder this second time around. (Currently in EP6 in my second read of the visual novel, but.) I do think reading Sayoâs confessions was a huge eye opener about everything, including when Beatrice jumped into the ocean, which was something I couldnât understand while reading the visual novel. Reading these few chapters in manga format really cemented this tale as my favorite of all time, and definitely makes me want to continue collecting the manga. So beautiful, seriously. I cried way more than I shouldâve, probably. Hah.
God I love EP 8. Some people seem to dislike how fantastic and confusing it got, but I enjoyed that. Itâs really great to see an all-out battle, and to be able to watch everyone shine just once more before the storyâs end.
Beato and Battler were really adorable, which made my heart sing. I really like the scene in which Beato is a bit distraught about the game ending, and Battler says some⌠actually really solid words of comfort. I guess it brings to light a side of him we didnât get a chance to see much of.
In general, Battler is a character whoâs constantly developing right up until the end of the story, so thatâs entertaining.
Everyone was generally portrayed nicely in this chapter. Even the âvillainsâ werenât treated like inhumane monsters. It felt like a real resolution to both the series and all of the characters involved. I was able to be happy for them all in the very end, but also sad because reading to the end really solidifies the fact that nobody survives and there is no 100% happy ending.
