Another little nugget of a mystery [GAME 2] [SOLVED]

[pictoshark]

There was a civilian standing within sight of the man who was out the 100M. He demanded the civilian assisted him with something and told him he can ignore the 100M and all that for now, at which time the man was attacked.

After the man made his demands there was no way to achieve line of sight with the man from outside the bank.

There was no one in the bank.

Now that’s the kind of stuff that keeps me coming here, hohoho. Unfortunately: There were at least 3 people (not including the man) in the bank until the incident was resolved.

The accomplice was able to interfere with the man’s plans from outside.

If the accomplice interfered with the man’s plans, he did so from inside the bank.

I think that red also deals with these:

The accomplice signaled the man to come outside, then incapacitated him.

But then for a period of time there would of been a way to achieve line of sight with him. And as we know, After the man made his demands there was no way to achieve line of sight with the man from outside the bank.

repeat it in red or I will make a theory for it: The bombs were never moved after they were placed until the end of the incident!

I won’t give you that, the wind might have knocked them over slightly.

However, none of the bombs were moved in such a way that affected the damage they would deal to the bank in any noticable way.

The man is blind!

His vision is 20/20, and he can see.

“No single one” who were subjected to the man’s demands violated the orders because multiple people violated his orders and did so with enough organization that no single person can be said to have violated on their own!

Now THAT blue is just delicious! Unfortunately, I’ll update the red truth: Out of everyone who the man’s second set of demands were directed towards, none disobeyed them.

The accomplice was silently incapacitated outdoors! Since there could be no visual contact with the man and the accomplice, the man was unaware that his accomplice had been incapacitated!

But even then,

Out of everyone who the man’s second set of demands were directed towards, none disobeyed them.

The accomplices status matters not, his “second set of demands” were not disobeyed!

The man survived the incident and did not receive the money! Those were the two alternatives he proposed for his plan! Confirm in red truth that the man’s plan has failed!

I do not need to, your blue is not strong enough to pierce this matter. If you want to pursue that blue, then Why did the bombs not detonate? I need you to be more specific!

The man had a spontaneous change of heart within the hour! He was not the same man anymore! Therefore, his threat as his old self to blow up the bank with him in it is impossible to fulfill since his old self does not exist anymore!

The man had no such change of heart, nor did he decide to switch tactics half way through.

The man was in the wrong building all along! “The bank is still intact” refers to a different bank!

Ooooohh I know how to hit this!

A man is holding up the sole bank of a small village

and just to drive the nail in the coffin, every instance of the word bank in this story refers to the same bank.

The forged item the man is in trouble for is the detonator!

It is not, the detonator he holds in his hands is the real detonator, and every instance of the word detonator I’ve used until now refer to this same detonator

The man is a changed man at the end of the hour! He has decided to not go through with his former self’s plan! All red truths stated so far apply solely to “the man” as referring to the old self of the man! The man’s old self was the perpetrator of the burglary attempt while the new man does not attempt such a thing! Therefore, all red truths so far are valid for the man at first while none of the red truths on this chessboard apply to the man by the end of the hour!

Even if the man did change in such a bizarre way, all red truths saying “the man” would still apply to him.

The man is paralyzed from the neck down! He could not have activated anything in his hands! That’s why the bank is still intact, his nerve cells are unable to press the detonator!

The man pulled out a revolver at the start of the narrative

Christmas things! I’ll respond to the rest later~

I will tell you I can shoot all of them down (with either red or lime) though, so try to workaround them for the time being, okay?

[King_Titanite_XV]

You can hardly shoot down a theory using lime! If the theory was only trying to get a lime out and you respond by a lime, it did it’s job unless you red it back to its roots later.

Anyway, I’ll try to go for something else. [color=blue]The accomplice moved the bombs.[/color]

The man was given an amount of currency less than £100,000 that is technically 100,000 pounds, and left with it.

I recall he was never given 100k in another currency but what if he was given less?

How about There were 3 or more people in the bank, and all of them started outside the bank and walked in a second or more after the incident began, and all of them together made up the accomplice.

Though I know how that would be shot down, I’m just giving ideas.

Perhaps [color=blue] The man was dumb and could not speak, hence he never said either set of his orders despite desiring to say them.[/color]

[King_Titanite_XV]

By dumb I mean “unable to speak properly”, the literal term of dumb.

[Blackrune]

Hmmm… It now seems that if the accomplice wants to stop him, he needs to actually get inside somehow. I’ll just throw some more stuff at that.

The accomplice manually detonated a single bomb, blowing a hole in the wall. He then stopped the man and the hole was fixed within the hour.

The accomplice had dug an almost finished tunnel into the bank. Only after the man went around and checked all current entrances, the accomplice finished the tunnel, gaining entry. The accomplice then proceeded to stop the man.

[Aspirety]

That does seem to be one way in, but I doubt it will fly. To add to that:

The accomplice used some abstract method to teleport themselves into the bank.

The accomplice entered another, separate building which is also considered part of ‘the bank’ but was unaccounted for by the man.

[akafa123]

Okay, what if
When the man arrived at the bank, there was 2 people. He presented his demands to him, but then someone else arrived, he was in the toilet. And because he was late, the man didn’t give him any demands

[pictoshark]

It was unintentional that the man’s plan did not come to fruition! Someone who was trying to help him made a mistake that brought about the failure of the plan! The plan, therefore, was not “thwarted”! It simply failed due to an unintentional mistake!

Who and how?

As the bank had insufficient funds, the bank and the man could have settled on the transfer of the money on a later time! The man did arrange for the money to be given to him, but it was not yet given so he did not have it, and since he did not have it he could not have used it yet to pay the debt, so the mafia is still in a position to ask for the money! The man was simply persuaded to not blow up the bank! His plan was “to acquire £100K or die”, and thus, receiving the money at a later date would not mean his plan has failed! The man did not alter his plan. The man did not fail his plan. He just did not act on his threat! Confirm in red that the man has to act on his threat to blow up the bank before an hour has elapsed! Confirm in red that the man cannot change his threat!

The man would not go along with such a thing, fearing being double-crossed.

Now I will say The man’s plans were thwarted by himself, be it an accident or on purpose! For this lime question specifically I do not need to be more specific than this.

The man’s plan were not foiled by himself, be it by accident or on purpose. If he did make a mistake, it was not that mistake that led solely to his undoing, someone else with intent would have had to act on it.

Anyway, I’ll try to go for something else. The accomplice moved the bombs.

I guess your vision is lapsing?

none of the bombs were moved in such a way that affected the damage they would deal to the bank in any noticable way.

The man was given an amount of currency less than £100,000 that is technically 100,000 pounds, and left with it.

The man’s “first set of demands” (the money and the car) were not met.

Neither of them in that set were met!

There were 3 or more people in the bank, and all of them started outside the bank and walked in a second or more after the incident began, and all of them together made up the accomplice.

If the accomplice is a person, they are only one person

The man was dumb and could not speak, hence he never said either set of his orders despite desiring to say them.

The man can speak

You can hardly shoot down a theory using lime!

“shoot down” was a figure of speech. I was saying that if any of the theories do approach the truth, they are too vague in their current states.

The accomplice manually detonated a single bomb, blowing a hole in the wall. He then stopped the man and the hole was fixed within the hour.

The kind og damage the bombs would deal would take too long to repair for your theory to work.

The accomplice had dug an almost finished tunnel into the bank. Only after the man went around and checked all current entrances, the accomplice finished the tunnel, gaining entry. The accomplice then proceeded to stop the man.

They were no underground tunnels dug into the bank during the time frame of the incident.

The accomplice used some abstract method to teleport themselves into the bank.

No magic was involved with this incident.

The accomplice entered another, separate building which is also considered part of ‘the bank’ but was unaccounted for by the man.

The bank is one building

When the man arrived at the bank, there was 2 people. He presented his demands to him, but then someone else arrived, he was in the toilet. And because he was late, the man didn’t give him any demands

I had to dig SO far back in the thread to counter this, so here you go!

Out of everyone who the man’s second set of demands were directed towards, not a single one disobeyed them.

This red would include the deaf, the people too far away to hear, everyone! Everyone that the demand was directed toward. Every possible intended recipient.

[King_Titanite_XV]

The man’s “first set of demands” (the money and the car) were not met.

Neither of them in that set were met!

[color=blue]The man demanded £100,000. He was given $100,000 or something else that is less than £100,000 that one could believe was £100,000. As the man could never get $100,000 exchanged for £100,000 (well, not until Brexit goes through, anyway), his demands were not met. Yet he left anyway as he believed he was being given £100,000. He was deceived, but not using fake money.[/color]

I think that gets around your deception red truths from before and it definitely gets around your just posted red truth.

As to other avenues, perhaps [color=blue] The man had a health issue while there that would not incapitate him but prevented him from finishing his plan.[/color]
Not sure what it would be, it could be **intense migraines, sudden blindness, or anything else that doesn’t knock him down but prevents him from finishing his plan.**

[King_Titanite_XV]

**A window was broken to allow the accomplice to enter. This window could be easily fixed to ensure the bank could continue operating within an hour. This provides an entrance for the accomplice and allows him to attack the man.**

Or perhaps The accomplice did damage his way into the bank and the damage wasn’t fixable in the hour, but it also wasn’t noticeable so from the outside the bank did look perfectly intact.

[King_Titanite_XV]

#[color=blue]THE MAN WAS GIVEN 100,000 POUNDS IN WEIGHT WORTH OF WATER, OR SOMETHING REALLY CHEAP THAT THE BANK COULD AFFORD.[/COLOR]

The man didn’t want £100,000 after all. He wanted 100,000 pounds to hit someone with: namely: the mafia boss. The Attack on the mafia boss wouldn’t occur in the hour, so I don’t have to refer to the result of it.

Git rekt

[King_Titanite_XV]

The accomplice placed kevlar or similar around the bombs, preventing their explosions from causing serious damage.

I think you would need something VERY tough to do this, but I know blastproof briefcases are a thing and he could potentially have a van full of them, so it’s possible.

[King_Titanite_XV]

Hold on a second. Is the bank in service of the man? Because if it was a large chain of banks the man could easily ask for a loan from the bank.

As the bank could not pay the man but the larger bank organisation could, the man was either given a loan of £100,000 on his credit card, or £100,000 was added to his debit card account. The man broke the counter and climbed over to ensure the receptionist was not lying, but one of the above did occur, so the man left and the bombs were not detonated - or at least, not within the hour.

[akafa123]

Besides the man and someone else in the bank, there was another identity inside the man (like you know who) and they were against this plan. He can’t give orders to himself, so they just took over him.

[King_Titanite_XV]

Ooooo nice with the dissociative identity disorder from earlier I mentioned!
I didn’t know how to word it but that’s great. Now to see how the gamemaster responds…

[akafa123]

It’s not really DID, more of a internal conflict
But in case of this mystery, it could be DID too.

[King_Titanite_XV]

Ffs don’t post that shit, forgot about that spoiler until now
Ahhhhhh dammit, whatever

[King_Titanite_XV]

The man was deceived into thinking the debt he had was cancelled, and left the bank throwing away the detonator before he discovered the debt was still active. He survived the hour, but was likely dead within the week due to the debt and the mafia.

[King_Titanite_XV]

Who and how?

Easy. The man needed a cigarette lighter and had someone else give him one, who took the detonator from his hands, and dropped it from a nervous breakdown and the detonator shattered on the floor. As for the who, it could be literally anyone - as long as they smoked or their family smoked they would have a lighter on their person.

There are thousands of ways someone could’ve accidently foiled his plan. This is just the first that came to my head. If you’re going to counter this please red the entire thing since I could literally go on all day about ways an innocent bystander could foil his plan.

[pictoshark]

Get that spoiler out of the thread, or put an episode number next to it.

UMINEKO SPOILERS is too vague.

I’m writing my response now…

[akafa123]

Is that not allowed? Unfortunately I couldn’t find forum rules anywhere.
Oh, they were hidden at the end of this menu near profile picture at the top in about section.