Rokkenjima Mafia - Game VII [Game Over - Human Victory]

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#461

Fair enough. You actually changed my thoughts a little. I concede that I did have several weak points in my reasoning. But you did mention how you aren’t a witch because of how honest you’ve been. Who says you aren’t being honest purely to convince others with abilities to do the same? That would be a good play for a witch, to figure out who was what ability. I’m not saying that makes you a witch, because I think you’re explanation makes as much sense as mine does.

Actually, these last few responses make me curious. Zepfur, why’d you vote for Picto? I thought he did a great job defending himself. I still find him suspicious, but enough to vote to lynch him.

#462

Shoot, wrong form of your. Bah, humbug.

#463

It’s pretty simple tho.

Even if picto is not a witch, he still has a partner who according to his claim could continue on his job.
If he’s a witch we’re not going to go after him due to the fear of making a mistake.
Think that’s impossible to do? SAPPHIRE IN THE LOVERS GAME
Especially if I’m right about who their partner is, then it would make soooo much sense. But let’s not talk about this, just in case I’m wrong there.

A gamble, sure, but a very informative one.

KIHIHIHIHIHIHI

VOTE : PICTOSHARK

Yeah this probably won’t work, but I don’t really care.

#464

“Usagi actively advocates for a plan involving killing someone who counts towards the total humans.”

#465

“As a joke.”

#466

The question is: does lynching you leave us with more humans alive or not? If we lynch you now, we lose one: you, if you are in fact a human. But if we leave you alive, you could possibly kill a few more humans and deplete our numbers. What are the benefits of leaving you alive?

#467

“I have no other response to this other than ‘READ THE THREAD AGAIN’.”

#468

Gee, Picto, you’re rather hostile today. What’s your fishue?

Get it? Because you’re a shark?

I’m here all night.

#469

According to his own claim, he has a partner who could continue killing in his stead. If he says the truth, then well we’re not going to lose that force, but ultimately it’s not different than taking a bet for any other humans.

So we don’t have anything to lose that is any different from voting anyone else in the end, but if he is a witch then we’ve scored big right away.

I may as well say that normal human pictoshark would never ask to be unconditionally trusted and would be glad that people doubt him even after his brother claimed saw his monitor in Vyse’s game and revealed his identity as human (which turned out to be right) he said he would be dissapointed that his allies were not incompetant enough to stop suspecting him as a potential witch just for that.

Now his reaction? Bullying tactics, insults.

PANICK

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#470

…who do you think Picto’s partner is, Usagi?

I’ve got a theory, but I get the feeling you and I are thinking of two different people.

#471

I have had a fucking awful week. Feck off.

#472

I mean, the obvious solution here, as always, is to just vote Karifean

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#473

I’d rather not reveal, on the offchance that I’m wrong, since that would mean the witches are a different group and then would learn the identity of his partner.
Same reason why I’m staying quiet about who I’m 99% certain is the protector right now.

Does this satisfy you?

This is taking a bet here, one that could pay big, or backfire.
But hey, I’d rather take it.

Especially since even if he’s a third party then we have no guarantee that he’s on the side of humans, and as Vyse pointed out that would almost only make sense if there’s only two other witches.

So there exists a scenario where there isn’t much difference between asking witches for help to kill picto’s team or vice versa.

Out of three scenarios

  1. Picto is actually a human ally
  2. Picto is a third party hostile to both parties
  3. Picto is a witch

There’s more that makes him worth killing right now.

If we can rule out him being a witch, then it becomes 50/50, and may be worth looking more at witches then.

#474

smuggest cat

"Isn’t it obvious?

Consider why Picto chose to let the group put forward who they kill. It essentially gives them a permanent, free out from being suspected. If the group kills a human (which they did, and which he could have pushed towards) then that’s a double-success. If they chose to kill a witch, they would still be beyond suspicion. Though, if we presume that there are more humans than witches in the first round their chances of killing a human is incredibly likely. Besides, do we know for certain they HAVE to actually kill once per night? They could have just said that. I mean, isn’t needing to kill every night pretty much the witch role in a nutshell? I don’t know. I’m just asking questions. The interesting thing is that their kill would cancel out if it’s the same as someone-else’s kill choice. So, by having the group chime in on who they kill is actually a detriment. Think it through! They SHOULD be targeting who they believe the witch is most likely to kill, thus cancelling their kill out. But even if they consider that too risky, by revealing this to the group they’ve essentially made it impossible for them to cancel out the witch by sheer luck BECAUSE the witch knows in advance who they’re going to kill and can choose NOT to pick the same person. They’ve essentially thrown away a possible way to counter the witch. And besides, if they’re not going to highlight who their partner is, why say they have one? Isn’t it to the humans benefit to think that Picto is the only one? Thus making them the only target for witches, and leaving the backup in reserve? Maybe they wanted to get insurance for themselves, but that seems weird considering how they then brought the protector into this.

Furthermore, Picto is really certain that timezones are perfect alibis for some reason. Remember they were the one who dropped the time doc on us at the start? They want us to be sure that he was asleep at the time making him not a possible target or something I wasn’t paying attention.

Oh, and killing someone who hadn’t backed down from voting him would be way too obvious. Especially killing me, because I am clearly a danger to us all and the witches would logically never kill me unless I was accusing one of them. But, like, real talk. Killing someone currently voting him would be too obvious, but killing someone who ALMOST but didn’t vote? That’s just logical.

So, I mean… If you really want to know why I voted picto…"

The cat cleans the back of its ear.

“Actually, I really just did it as a joke, thought.”

coot cat

#475

I suppose that works.

I’ll think on it and vote in the morning.

#476

“also did someone mention fish!?”

The cat jumps up and down in delight.

#477

Meh. I’m convinced.

Vote: Pictoshark

Thanks for that analysis, Zepfur. I was getting suspicious, but now I actually trust you a fair amount. But be aware that both my vote and my opinion on you are subject to change. I’ll see y’all tomorrow after I go to bed, wake up, go to work, and then come back and check the thread.

#478

You and your long posts, guys… :sleeping:

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#479

"Reminder: as said earlier if both me and my partner die then our team’s kills become random. Killing me puts you a mere step away from that happening.

Killing me also means that my team’s kill can’t be discussed two way here because my partner’s identity would have to remain secret.

There are things to lose from killing me. Quite convenient that you’re ignoring them."

"Flawed reasoning. Doing such a thing would likely lead to the Witch’s merely hitting their second most beneficial mark rather than their first most beneficial which means that when I shoot that most beneficial mark…

Yeah that’s basically two witch kills in one night. Real smart.

It only makes sense to attempt to hit people who it is beneficial for the human team to kill."

I’m gonna @FlareNetworkC because he was somehow convinced by what I think was a literal joke of an argument."

#480

“Ya do realise there’s a smart way to avoid the witches using that strategy. Ready?”

The cat smirks.

“It’s called not revealing your skill from the get go. You know, which only has the benefit of making you seem irreplacable to the human side and not really much else.”

The cat licks its paw and checks its claws.

“But actually, you are right about one thing. I’m just a shit stirrer making long posts to make the punchline hit more.”